RAIN COAT:?::shock:

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Tks Rob :wink: :beer:

Can you send them to my email address please? Like the YouTube vid.

I didnt go, but I know that Keith Vipond is not remotely rude at all!! He is a really very nice man! who does a great job organising displays year round in his own time, as he has great knowledge on pre67 cars, and it is not fair at all to make a personal comment like this on here, especially as he does not use forums or visit here.

Everyone who books their car into the historic display is FULLY aware that it is run by the Historic Club who are a stock vintage vw club, and it is a display to represent beetles that are close to stock. All the display cars are supposed to be booked in before the show weekend, whereby they will say sorry but no, if your car is not to their criteria and they dont want it in their display. And yes, they do that! So if you turn up on the day unbooked, it is down to the discretion of this same person who is in charge of that particular display whether they want your car in it or not. It is that simple. So they will still say NO, whether pre-booked in or not!

Not to point out the obvious, but Stanford Hall is now the flagship stock vw show/concours of the year, so it is hardly surprising that they dont want any floor scraping/modified/suspension altered cars at all in there and I am sure that is easy to understand if you put yourself in their shoes. Dont forget that a really lowered car completely messes up the stock height line in a row of cars. Lowered people dont mind this, I think they think it looks amusing, but stock people hate it!
Thats just how it is and what Stanford Hall is all about and will always be about, and this is made clear on all the entry forms.

Its not just about age, but also a certain style of presentation. I agree completely that your car IS OG paint and many respects far more correct and interesting to some of us than many of the cars on restored stock display in the whole show! BUT by lowering it that much you have taken away its criteria to get into this Stanford Hall display group, same for the split on the cover of UltraVW this month! I can also see how a 'cal-look' height but otherwise clean original looking early car might just slip through, where a 'ratlook' ( forgive the tag) car will simply not. Another reason for this being that stock people in general especially the older generation just dont like to see original tatty paint at all, they prefer to see a car repainted and restored once the exterior paint has gone 'past a certain point' ( our 50 is the same condition as yours if not slightly worse! but we will not restored ours either!) My oval is borderline. I know many stock people will frown on our very worn out og paint but we dont care about their opinion.
But at the same time your 2 cars shine out at most of the other 'all types/anything goes on display' vw shows all year. Where as stockers dont even go to all these other shows, so they get very few opportunities in the whole year to display their cars parked with other stockers.

I always think you can define it simply to whether a car fits Stanford or not, by cars that do go to Santa pod to shows, and cars who's owners would rather roast alive in hell and have their cars crushed before their eyes than even drive through the gates :lol:

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Blimey Anna, sometimes you frighten me girl! :lol:

However, even though the 55 will fall into that pan scraping/modded suspension category and therefore it will probably never run over the cattle grate of Stanford, I also agree that for the preserve of the standard cars, of which I'm a fan also, "The Hall" should always be regarded as the UK's biggest and best loved event for standard VW's and their respective displays.

I think you sum up perfectly the views of most stock people who take part at Stanford in the special displays.

But they are 'vetted' beforehand when entered correctly in advance. And if turned away on the day it is because they dont fit the criteria you described on your first sentence! Some people will try to enter cars and not say they are modified and they will be turned away on the day.

Unfortunately there just are not enough stock cars to go round too many displays.
And I can read Robs mind wright now and tell you that ABSOLUTELY NO RATLOOK OR LOWERED CARS UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES WHATSOEVER would be allowed in a pre67 forum display! :lol: so it is exactly the same!

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:lol:

However! with a little pre-planning, if you have an interesting car of any guise, modified or rat etc, you can often find a friend who is a trader or magazine or some really good spot in the trade area to park, as our friend did with his cal-look oval & 356, and the bonus of without the added pressure of being 'judged' in the concours, which we prefer, like a lot of people. So there are other options available to give your car a great spot at Stanford!

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I'm Ovalbug on here Mike :lol: , Nessy on the 'other' VW sites.......:wink:
It was great to meet you and be able to babble on about all things '53, you can learn more from looking and talking about a car in front of you in 5 minutes than months of studying books which may or may not contain accurate info.........
Think that yesterdays Stanford was one of the best I've been to; got some cracking bargains in the parts for sale area, and as you know getting that interior light switch sorted out made my day...................

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I'm a bloke, we don't do pre-planning don't you know! :lol:

But yes, I hope when finished the car will be one that a lot of people would like to look at when it's finished and as I'm going to be out of the UK for some time I'll not be able to take her to many shows, so with Stanford being one of my favs since the late 80's I'll have to sneak her in somewhere next year! :wink:

Kieth was very helpful to me at the start of the show and considering he was clearly suffering with a bad leg did a fantastic job of keeping it all under control.I imagine it can be quite stressfull on a day when it really shouldnt be for anyone .Least of all for the man that organised it.

Roll on next year:beer:

So you made it Mike, where's ya pics? :wink:

Here is my 53 .Sorry it wasnt good enough for Rob to film but i was busy
with some engine work:roll:






























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Pre67?

Yeah it was a close one though :!: My engine was just a crank case on friday morning ,But i stayed up (i work nights)put it all back ,Motd for 4pm and taxed at 4.50pm .Spent most of Saturday asleep or with the family and made it for the historic display .It was worth all the effort as i met a couple of Pre67 members and the man who restored my car in 1988 who may have the original case for my car:d .

Same for me to ,it was great to meet up and talk 53 stuff with you.:beer:

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All I can say is, Keith from the Historic VW club is the rudest man I've ever met :evil:
First my car was too 'rough around the edges' to be in the display, then after he let an Oval in with a dented wing he said my car couldn't enter the circle because it 'had non standard wheels', then when an Oval with BRM's drove in he said changed his tone again & said mine 'it was too low', then when the Black Split drove in & I tried to talk to him he walked off for the second time :roll:

My car was one of the rarest there, and in original paint, and I ended up getting shunned between 2 camper vans :shock:
If he didn't want modified split's there, he should have said before I drove 100 miles for the show.