Etzhold1
16 years ago
I thought Ferdinand Porsche started a car constructions office in 1930!
He was building already small cars for zundapp and NSU between 1932 and 1934
In 1934 he told Hitler that he was able to build a car for the people, a "Volkswagen"
So it was NOT Adolfs idee to start building VW's , but he was really happy with the idee, so he was using that idee for his own propaganda program :roll: !

Regards,

Guido:wink:
Undis
16 years ago





'NOS 38 panels'? I think that is a language/translation blip? :lol: :beer:


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I know, I know - extraordinary statements require extraordinary proof! But, seeing that Christian has just posted in here, I'll just shut up.
lifeintheslowlane
16 years ago
Hmmmm, I know some of you think I'm going senile but I have a distinct recollection of being shown what might have been a suitable chassis whilst visiting a certain museum in Hessisch Oldendorf.

Of course I couldn't possibly say which museum that was.[-x
John.
Undis
16 years ago
Nope, that one is too old. Someone need to find a matching body of a VW30 then.
lifeintheslowlane
16 years ago
Yes now you come to mention it I think it was probably a '36 chassis.:?
John.
Undis
16 years ago
1937 number 26

You can see the actual car in books. The one in the windtunnel tests!
lifeintheslowlane
16 years ago
I think I'll just shut up...I know when I'm out of my depth.:wink:
John.
Undis
16 years ago
Hey, don't worry about it. Lately my head if full of this crap! Been doing a lot of research on the subject. Starting to get weird dreams at night...
48REME
16 years ago



What she said! Does anyone know whats under the reconstuctions of the VW2 and 3 that VW have? I´m betting they don´t have original prototype engines and gearboxes. "As good as you can" will probably have to do for some parts on this car, when it is eventually rebuilt.

JD wrote:



Isn't there a school of thought that might find it almost wrong to make this car as correct as it would have been when it first came to be? Even with the best, most original, most NOS parts on it, it will end up being almost a modern-day reconstruction where there might be more repairs and replacement than what's left on it.

It may look terrible as it is at the moment but I almost find it more exciting like that, it is a witness to many years of history that it has gone through, it has the wear and abuse which might explain its long tired life. If this car is 'corrected' and displayed in a show, museum or private collection, how will anyone looking at it be aware of what it's been through, apart from observing photos of how it was when discovered? I think it's great that it has Volga door handles for example, it explains where it was geographically during part of its life.
I can understand the total resurrection of a later production car because one might want to have a perfect example of a particular year model but this car is so unique that it almost deserves to be left untouched, as it cannot be compared to anything else yet discovered.

Of course, it would have been nicer if it had been found intact but that's usually not how history and time allows us to come across these occasional gems. The same happens in ancient buildings which have been modified over time. Their alterations are the actual proof of their age and how we've helped them cross the centuries to be with us still today.
Any thoughts?
lifeintheslowlane
16 years ago



Isn't there a school of thought that might find it almost wrong to make this car as correct as it would have been when it first came to be? Even with the best, most original, most NOS parts on it, it will end up being almost a modern-day reconstruction where there might be more repairs and replacement than what's left on it.

It may look terrible as it is at the moment but I almost find it more exciting like that, it is a witness to many years of history that it has gone through, it has the wear and abuse which might explain its long tired life. If this car is 'corrected' and displayed in a show, museum or private collection, how will anyone looking at it be aware of what it's been through, apart from observing photos of how it was when discovered? I think it's great that it has Volga door handles for example, it explains where it was geographically during part of its life.
I can understand the total resurrection of a later production car because one might want to have a perfect example of a particular year model but this car is so unique that it almost deserves to be left untouched, as it cannot be compared to anything else yet discovered.

Of course, it would have been nicer if it had been found intact but that's usually not how history and time allows us to come across these occasional gems. The same happens in ancient buildings which have been modified over time. Their alterations are the actual proof of their age and how we've helped them cross the centuries to be with us still today.
Any thoughts?

48REME wrote:



Usually I'd be right there with you on this but how many of these prototypes exist. If there were 3 or 4 perfect examples already in existance I'd say yes, leave it as it is but this could be the last chance to restore(?) or recreate(?) a part of automotive history.

If it is rebuilt you can bet every last nut and bolt will be recorded of this car as it stands now...the record won't be lost so I say...if the correct parts are there and the detailed documentary evidence exists on how the prototype should go together...it should be done.

That's my opinion, for what it's worth.
John.
JD
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  • pre67vw Junkie
16 years ago
I see what you are saying, but my feeling is that at the moment its more a monument to Lithuanian inventiveness than to VWs history.
Its kind of at the point where its beyond doing a sympathetic restoration.
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fantakid
16 years ago
I saw the pics of the resto of the 38 from Automuseum and there is not much left from the orginal car. The car wich is now found will have 30 % more orginal parts then this car.
The cabrio from the museum is nice and very untouched but you can not use the car complett as an example. This car was build by Authenried ( a couchbild company ). They used a normal beetle typ 38 and build the cabrio.
So the car has a lot more weldings and parts to strong the body then the normal typ 38 has.
This car has to be saved and restaured the best way it could. This could be to about 70 % as orginal as about 70% of pics and draweings of the typ 38 exist - for 30 % there is no info at the moment
48REME
16 years ago
But if the car is not a production VW as many people have idenified above, how will the restorer know exactly what is correct for this car? If I understand well, these prototypes seem to have varied slightly from one experimental model to the other so what has been lost on this car might only be reinvented out of assumption, no?
Etzhold1
16 years ago

But if the car is not a production VW as many people have idenified above, how will the restorer know exactly what is correct for this car? If I understand well, these prototypes seem to have varied slightly from one experimental model to the other so what has been lost on this car might only be reinvented out of assumption, no?

48REME wrote:



I know a guy who has original bleuprints from these cars, that would be a great help aswell !

Guido
Undis
16 years ago



...Any thoughts?

48REME wrote:



Interesting line of thought and I’m almost happy to agree with this. There is certain excitement and awe in just realising how incredibly this vehicle has survived to this day. This also was expressed on TheSamaba forum, that in away thanks to all the modifications it was not scrapped decades ago.

The problem I see here though is that the modifications are god-awful and are infact falling apart already. Just look at the interior shots. It is a mess. If this was a compplete driveable vehicle with a number of necessary modifications made and all it would need is some freshening up, then yes, I would say keep it as it is.

Also knowing that parts for this rare vehicle can be found and finally put to good use, and whatever is missing can be reproduced, I would like (IMHO) to see this car brought back to original appearance as far as it is possible. Some compromises may need to be made in relation to things like engine/gearbox/running gear…

What I really would like to see that every bit of this car is photographed, recorded, noted down and preserved for its history.
JD
  • JD
  • pre67vw Junkie
16 years ago

But if the car is not a production VW as many people have idenified above, how will the restorer know exactly what is correct for this car? If I understand well, these prototypes seem to have varied slightly from one experimental model to the other so what has been lost on this car might only be reinvented out of assumption, no?

48REME wrote:



They´ll have to simply do the best they can. I see nothing wrong with that.

They´d have to really go some to make it less accurate than it is already!:d
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48REME
16 years ago



They´ll have to simply do the best they can. I see nothing wrong with that.

They´d have to really go some to make it less accurate than it is already!:d

JD wrote:



I'm sure, it will be wonderful to see it remade too just as I'm sure it will spark endless discussions, disagreements and arguments between experts who will find something to
pick on.
Meanwhile, only the car knows what it once was like... I like the idea of preserving that sense of mystery!:wink:
pre67vw
16 years ago
Are we talking about a museum piece or a privately owned car? I like the idea of it preserved in a glass case as it is, in a museum - a bit like a piece of a shipwreck on display. But if I owned it privately I'd much prefer it as a restored as close as possible (Kübel chassis etc, no 50's stuff).
Rob Amos
Happiness is a stock VW
48REME
16 years ago

I like the idea of it preserved in a glass case as it is, in a museum - a bit like a piece of a shipwreck on display.

pre67vw wrote:


That's probably exactly what I would do.:wink:
Rich Oakley
16 years ago
Let's face facts; this car is in absolutely awful condition, but by some miracle of fate and enthusiastic Communist-esque modification it has managed to just about survive. In its current condition, it vaguely presents a shadow of its former self with those tantalising VW38 features.

I personally believe that it needs to be 'reconstructed' using the original drawings to the best possible standards. OK, it's never going to be an original matching numbers car, but it would be a nice representation (and to some degree interpretation), of a VW38 car.
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