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Old Blue
13 years ago

So you think you should be able to buy a fully restored '43 Kdf Wagen for $35,000.




:rofl:

GKL 7 wrote:


I think Jon was taking the price as £350,000, so paying £35,000 at a sensible price.
1956 VW Beetle, 1962 Morris Minor, 1968 VW Beetle (Old Blue), 1972 Morris Mini, 2005 MGTF

Blue, blue, Electric Blue, that's the colour of Old Blue!
Old Blue
13 years ago
Regarding the early Beetle that Jon mentions, the owner Tony had not then passed away. I think his name was Tony Oliver. I knew the other VW Tony a little too, Tony Levy of Rattletrap fame (who has pased away), so one could get muddled.

The car had been in the UK for many, many years and was a 1946/47 and was very crude in its refinements. It was displayed as a 'British built' Beetle in the small Museum of Tony's, so I know it was early post war being built under British occupation.
1956 VW Beetle, 1962 Morris Minor, 1968 VW Beetle (Old Blue), 1972 Morris Mini, 2005 MGTF

Blue, blue, Electric Blue, that's the colour of Old Blue!
GKL 7
13 years ago

there was some fool who kept his hand up all the way through the bidding and so paid silly money for the car which had engine play that was in inches and had a hole underneath

Old Blue wrote:




I was there that day,'tho as far as i remember,it was one of the south London racecourses and not Brooklands.
The so called "fool" as you put it, is someone Oldblue snr usually goes out of his way to defend and wish back here.Ah!yes that "fool" Rattletrap/Standardsplit.



And '43 Kdf wagens whether purchased in £ or $ bring a lot more than 35K.


Anyway back with the original thread,this looks an excellent car.


https://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=1185798 





ianmac
13 years ago

Anyway back with the original thread,this looks an excellent car.


https://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=1185798 





GKL 7 wrote:



looks very original, right up my street :thumbup:
Rich Oakley
13 years ago

How many 1940s bugs are in this country?
The oldest I ever saw belonged to an old man who had a small private car museum that Dad new. The seats were with handrails like busses have. The guy died and his cars were auctioned by southerbys. Dad took me along to the auction at brooklands where there was some fool who kept his hand up all the way through the bidding and so paid silly money for the car which had engine play that was in inches and had a hole underneath. A long time ago it was before I went to uni. Our 56 bug we bought this year and for less money than this guy paid for the split is a much better car and worth a lot more.So this guy did dad a favour.

Old Blue wrote:



Tony Oliver's '47 sold for £7,000 if I remember correctly (Tony paid £10 for it in 1962!!). £7k for an early car like that is pennies nowadays. I think there are 18 1940s bugs in the UK.
47 Beetle, 56 UK Karmann Cabriolet, 56 UK Beetle, 57 UK Type 2, 59 UK Beetle, 66 UK Fastback.
54 Gertie
13 years ago

Tony Oliver's '47 sold for £7,000 if I remember correctly (Tony paid £10 for it in 1962!!). £7k for an early car like that is pennies nowadays. I think there are 18 1940s bugs in the UK.

Rich Oakley wrote:



As many as that. 😮

Unless half of those are sat in a garage somewhere, that only you know of? :drool:
William
GKL 7
13 years ago

Tony Oliver's '47 sold for £7,000 if I remember correctly .

Rich Oakley wrote:




Was there on the day Rich.Just under 11K but there was buyers premium(sale charges etc)on top of that.I kept the auction catalog page for years with the figures written on it,but binned it in the end.


Who's that guy up my way Rich with two '47's.Forget the name,he disappeared off the radar about twenty years ago.



vintagebug
13 years ago

Who's that guy up my way Rich with two '47's.Forget the name,he disappeared off the radar about twenty years ago.

GKL 7 wrote:



Was that around Wrexham, George?
Dave
"When I read about the evils of drinking, I gave up reading"
GKL 7
13 years ago

Was that around Wrexham, George?

vintagebug wrote:




Yes Dave and i remembered, Tom Gulliver(just need a little time to think,when you get old).
vintagebug
13 years ago

Yep, Tom Gulliver. As soon as I read that name I remembered it! :wink:

So............. what happened to the '47s then?
Dave
"When I read about the evils of drinking, I gave up reading"
Old Blue
13 years ago

Was there on the day Rich.Just under 11K but there was buyers premium(sale charges etc)on top of that.I kept the auction catalog page for years with the figures written on it,but binned it in the end.

GKL 7 wrote:


The auction was indeed at Brooklands I still have the catalogue from the day. I kept it as we bought an excellent, totally original 1962 Rose Taupe Morris Minor for a mere £2,500, it was to placate the wife who loathes Beetles, and the catalogue is kept in the Minor's history file. If you were at the auction you may remember this Morris, it's a real beauty.

According to my scribbles on the catalogue the 1947 Beetle went under the hammer for £7,200, so even with the buyer's premium the car only cost the new owner around £8,400, as said here earlier by Rich, pennies considering the values today. It seems now that the guy who bought it was far from the fool that Jon describes given that 1940's Beetles are described now as the 'Holy Grail' in VW magazines. I wish I'd kept my bidding hand up longer, and as Jon really knows, its probably worth 4-5 fold that of our 1956 Oval today.

You say that this is now with Rattletrap, alias Standardsplit, who now owns Rattletrap (I'm confused!). According to that thread, he acquired Rattletrap for just a few thousand pounds. How nice to own two such interesting cars for a comparatively small financial outlay, they must make an interesting collection. Considering the stick that Stansdardsplit has had from some members here with his Rattletrap postings on this site, its interesting to note that the Rattletrap thread has taken in excess of 100,000 views.

Back to Tony Oliver, he hired out cars from his collection for film services as I recall, but I don't know if the 1947 Beetle was used in any known film. I think he had a Kubelwagen too, but it wasn't in the auction.



1956 VW Beetle, 1962 Morris Minor, 1968 VW Beetle (Old Blue), 1972 Morris Mini, 2005 MGTF

Blue, blue, Electric Blue, that's the colour of Old Blue!
GKL 7
13 years ago
Do Oldblue jnr and Oldblue snr argue a lot at home?
Because they can't agree on anything,here:p
Old Blue
13 years ago

Do Oldblue jnr and Oldblue snr argue a lot at home?
Because they can't agree on anything,here:p

GKL 7 wrote:


You're not far wrong. 'Old Blue Jnr' has now decided that he wants to lower the 56 Oval and fit some very expensive non VW wheels to it.

The idea of getting the 56 is that it was one of the most original untouched 50s Beetles we had chance to buy, and with nil welding.

'Mrs Old Blue' has to be mediator some evenings:lol:
1956 VW Beetle, 1962 Morris Minor, 1968 VW Beetle (Old Blue), 1972 Morris Mini, 2005 MGTF

Blue, blue, Electric Blue, that's the colour of Old Blue!
AW
  • AW
  • pre67vw Junkie
13 years ago
A Zwitter has just gone on ebay in bits :omg:


Andy W
GKL 7
13 years ago

A Zwitter has just gone on ebay in bits :omg:


Andy W

AW wrote:




That cars been around the block a few times.
Loads of owners and never finished.
AW
  • AW
  • pre67vw Junkie
13 years ago
On German Ebay there is a 52 rag top up for grabs and a 50 in bits. Dont know how to put links in hope some one can.



Andy W
vintagebug
13 years ago

A '51 crotch cooler needing restoration has just gone up on The Samba (& it's in the UK). It says all the welding's been done:-

https://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=1213975 

I don't know who the owner is- anyone know?

Dave

Dave
"When I read about the evils of drinking, I gave up reading"
DarthMJH
13 years ago
A 1951 Cabrio Beetle has turned up on Ebay https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/200670327392? 

Needs a little bit of work though :smile:

Mike
Mike
1960 Karmann Beetle Convertible
pre67vw
13 years ago

A 1951 Cabrio Beetle has turned up on Ebay https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/200670327392? 

Needs a little bit of work though :smile:

Mike

DarthMJH wrote:



That's been for sale for some time, I saw it advertised at Camberg.
Rob Amos
Happiness is a stock VW
lifeintheslowlane
13 years ago

A '51 crotch cooler needing restoration has just gone up on The Samba (& it's in the UK). It says all the welding's been done:-

https://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=1213975 

I don't know who the owner is- anyone know?

Dave

vintagebug wrote:



Yes a lady by the name of Kat Dane...she's just drawn attention to the Samba ad on the Hampshire VW Owners Club Facebook page. Don't know the lady myself.
John.
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