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pre67vw
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13 years ago
I think you're obsessed with trying to discredit Ganz while looking at Tatra with rose tinted glasses. Are you somehow related to Paul Ehrhardt?

Tatra 57 doesn't really look much different from many other cars of the time, front engine rear wheel drive - it's a long way away from a volkswagen
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One more time... READ THE BOOK.

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GKL 7
13 years ago

looking at Tatra with rose tinted glasses.

pre67vw wrote:




Hmmm,don't know why, possibly some of the Fugliest cars ever made.
pre67vw
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13 years ago

Hmmm,don't know why, possibly some of the Fugliest cars ever made.

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They take some getting used to, but Paul Jaray did some great work on streamlining that was used by Tatra and others. (look him up, he's on wikipedia :rofl:)

Jaray was of Jewish descent, friends with none other than Josef Ganz. :wink:

Here they are both together in the 1931 Maikafer

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Rattletrap
13 years ago

Hmmm,don't know why, possibly some of the Fugliest cars ever made.

GKL 7 wrote:


Beauty is all in the eye of the beholder as they say. The Tara T87 pictured here, in my consideration is one of the most awesome and beautiful cars. It is recognised as such – an art form. The London Victoria and Albert Museum had one on loan for its Modernist exhibition, it was one of their main exhibits, displayed in a most prominent position and used on their publicity material. A T87 was recently used as an attraction, being displayed at various museums and galleries around the USA. I cannot convey the feeling of driving this car along the road, and seeing it in the garage each day. The main draw back of this car is the attention it gets, unless you are a lover of the lime-light. Then there's the sound of the huge air-cooled V8 rear engine, combined with the 3-piece windscreen makes you feel as though you're in a Spitfire cockpit.

But then the split-window Beetle is a classic, a design from the Art Deco period, shown in its superbly curved shape and two-piece rear window, its period Bakelite dash panels, ashtray, dome light and stepped window winder knobs. But unlike the Tatra T87 with its long flowing lines, the Beetle cannot really be described as beautiful. As said before, if I had a pound for every time I was told the Beetle is ugly…:smile:  Tatra T87.png You have insufficient rights to see the content.  Tatra T87 side.png You have insufficient rights to see the content.
Rattletrap – the Volkswagen Beetle that has covered an incredible mileage equivalent to over 35 times around the planet :omg:
Running nifty since 1950… the King of Volkswagens:beer: Why not make friends with this famous little VW – he's on facebook! :d
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GKL 7
13 years ago
I can look at those pictures a hundred times,i just can't see the beauty you are referring to.
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Rattletrap
13 years ago

I can look at those pictures a hundred times,i just can't see the beauty you are referring to.
Very strange cars

GKL 7 wrote:


I am referring purely to the T87 (in my pictures), Tatra's most stunning and famous car.

The image you've posted is the post-war Tatraplan, which I don't find particularly beautiful, infact to me its a little ugly. The Beetle is better looking by far, but that isn't beautiful either.

The Tatra T87 is the only Tatra that I'd describe as beautiful. On the other hand I'd describe the T97 as stunning.

The fact that the T87 is an object of art galleries says it all.:wink:
Rattletrap – the Volkswagen Beetle that has covered an incredible mileage equivalent to over 35 times around the planet :omg:
Running nifty since 1950… the King of Volkswagens:beer: Why not make friends with this famous little VW – he's on facebook! :d
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ascort
13 years ago
I have just finished reading my copy of The Extraordinary Lofe of Josef Ganz, which I bought with some Christmas money that I was gifted with.

If you have the slightest interest in European history, automotive history or how car design and the Volkswagen beetle design concept evolved, don't miss this book.

The book is a fantastic insight into the politics behind the scenes in the automotive industry in Germany in pre-war years, how this interfaced with the government politics and also what it was like for a Jewish person to survive the times.

What a fantastic read! :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: Many thanks Pre67VW for making me aware of this book.

I must add that much of the arguments above make little sense. The final shape of the VW is not where Josef Ganz had major influence, and in fact the VW beetle is a larger car than what he had been promoting. His influence was in the development and promotion of a "volkswagen" to help get the German economy out of its terrible state and to make motoring affordable to the general public. Josef Ganz also made a massive contribution to challenging the establishment to change from beam axles and traditional chassis to independent suspension, swing axles, backbone chassis, rear engine configurations and streamlining.

Without trying to be rude to you Rattletrap, read the book, it gives great background to Tatra as well as VW.
Mark - Owner of 2 under restoration Australian coachbuilt Ascorts.
pre67vw
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13 years ago

I have just finished reading my copy of The Extraordinary Life of Josef Ganz, which I bought with some Christmas money that I was gifted with.

If you have the slightest interest in European history, automotive history or how car design and the Volkswagen beetle design concept evolved, don't miss this book.

The book is a fantastic insight into the politics behind the scenes in the automotive industry in Germany in pre-war years, how this interfaced with the government politics and also what it was like for a Jewish person to survive the times.

What a fantastic read! :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: Many thanks Pre67VW for making me aware of this book.

I must add that much of the arguments above make little sense. The final shape of the VW is not where Josef Ganz had major influence, and in fact the VW beetle is a larger car than what he had been promoting. His influence was in the development and promotion of a "volkswagen" to help get the German economy out of its terrible state and to make motoring affordable to the general public. Josef Ganz also made a massive contribution to challenging the establishment to change from beam axles and traditional chassis to independent suspension, swing axles, backbone chassis, rear engine configurations and streamlining.

Without trying to be read to you Rattletrap, read the book, it gives great background to Tatra as well as VW.

ascort wrote:



Glad you liked it as much as I did :thumbup: I agree with you 100% about Ganz's contribution. I don't believe the 'volkswagen' was Ganz's idea, nor did he 'design' the Beetle - but influence and promotion I think is definitely where he did play his part.
Rob Amos
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13 years ago
Same stud patten as the wide 5


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Rattletrap
13 years ago

I must add that much of the arguments above make little sense. The final shape of the VW is not where Josef Ganz had major influence, and in fact the VW beetle is a larger car than what he had been promoting. His influence was in the development and promotion of a "volkswagen" to help get the German economy out of its terrible state and to make motoring affordable to the general public. Josef Ganz also made a massive contribution to challenging the establishment to change from beam axles and traditional chassis to independent suspension, swing axles, backbone chassis, rear engine configurations and streamlining.

ascort wrote:


Exactly, the volkswagen with a small 'v'.

Hans Ledwinka's influence on Porche's work is much more apparent. Or should I say Porshe's liking of Ledwinka's Tatra T97 is rather apparent in the Volkswagen.:wink:
Rattletrap – the Volkswagen Beetle that has covered an incredible mileage equivalent to over 35 times around the planet :omg:
Running nifty since 1950… the King of Volkswagens:beer: Why not make friends with this famous little VW – he's on facebook! :d
http://forums.pre67vw.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=16378 
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