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Old Blue
13 years ago

One point that stood out when I was reading the document was that throughout the Government refered to pre 1960 vehicles as being 'Historic' or of 'Historical' importance. However, as we know, for taxation purposes the DVLA consider an 'Historic' vehicle to be one built before 1973. The thought did occur to me that they might now decide to bring the two into line and say that pre 1960 vehicles are the only ones that are tax exempt and so bring vehicles built between 1960 and 1973 back into the PLG taxation category. Or am I just being suspicious of the Government's motives??

RoRoVw wrote:


That'll happen when Labour form the next government. They stopped the Conservative's tax exempt 25 year roll on back in 1997 when they formed government, for no reason other than car collecting is a rich person's pastime (not for most of us I know). They may even scrap the MOT and TAX exemption competely.
1956 VW Beetle, 1962 Morris Minor, 1968 VW Beetle (Old Blue), 1972 Morris Mini, 2005 MGTF

Blue, blue, Electric Blue, that's the colour of Old Blue!
Cool Splitty
13 years ago
Well at last it has happened real old cars being exempt from the time and money wasting Mot.I am thinking of getting rid of the fleetline and getting the oval that i have always wanted or a 58 59semibug as soonas. I reckon that realy old vws are going to be worth evenmore with the no mot advantage.The guys here with a hord of 40s 50s must be smilingWe carefuly lookafter our oldmotors as dad is a trained mechnic sothe mot is awaste of our money .Why would you buy a 73 bug when you can get a 72 and not pay road tax.And now whywould you buy a 60s when you can go 40s50s and no Mot pain andcost or road tax. not good news for the 60s vw owners trying to sel
We can now take any of our old cars on the roadwhen we like and insure:d
Cool Splitty. Reel Kool and called Peter.
GKL 7
13 years ago

The odds of being hit by a pre 1960 vehicle must be akin to a lottery win. The odds of being hit by an unroadworthy one even slimmer. Get a grip. The danger on roads is posed by modern cars (millions around), and especially the second-hand banger ones driven by cash-strapped youngsters at ridiculous speeds.

Old Blue wrote:




You really are devoid of any sense of humour aren't you Oldblue.
When two blokes who have known each other for over 15 years,can't pull each others legs on a hobby based forum:thumbdn:
vintagebug
13 years ago

When two blokes who have known each other for over 15 years,can't pull each others legs on a hobby based forum:thumbdn:

GKL 7 wrote:



Who's that then? :roll:

It must be more like 20 years George? Or does it just feel that long? :d




Dave
"When I read about the evils of drinking, I gave up reading"
GKL 7
13 years ago
:wink:

See you soon Dave.
Kev
  • Kev
  • pre67vw Junkie
13 years ago
Lets look on the bright side here, at least you won't have to drill your early car for window washers anymore, or you can remove them and fill the holes in :d

There is nothing to stop you asking a garage to do an MOT pre test or some of the checks, such as rolling road for brakes etc.

And if you are worried about being hit by a badly maintained pre 60 car then there must be more on the road where you live, they are a rare sight on the roads round here !
six-o-one
13 years ago

If you are worried about being hit by a badly maintained pre 60 car then there must be more on the road where you live, they are a rare sight on the roads round here !

nev wrote:



Try saying that in a few weeks if you live in Lavenham! :wink:
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vintagebug
13 years ago

Try saying that in a few weeks if you live in Lavenham! :wink:

six-o-one wrote:



There won't be any badly-maintained pre-60 cars at Lavenham Malc, they'll all be in pristine condition!! :wink:

Dave
"When I read about the evils of drinking, I gave up reading"
Old Blue
13 years ago

Lets look on the bright side here, at least you won't have to drill your early car for window washers anymore, or you can remove them and fill the holes in :d

And if you are worried about being hit by a badly maintained pre 60 car then there must be more on the road where you live, they are a rare sight on the roads round here !

Kev wrote:


As said, there's more chance of the Earth being swallowed by a black hole that being in an accident with a pre 60 vehicle. GKL7 must live in the Heartbeat village, (lucky man).

Interesting with the washers. I think that it will be the owner's responsibility to keep their car road legal, so washers should be there if a policeman stops you, or you get fined.:wink:
1956 VW Beetle, 1962 Morris Minor, 1968 VW Beetle (Old Blue), 1972 Morris Mini, 2005 MGTF

Blue, blue, Electric Blue, that's the colour of Old Blue!
Old Blue
13 years ago
How is a vintage car owner meant to judge when a bit of welding required is a structural safety issue or just an annoying hole:?:

I'm pleased with the MOT exemption, (well Jon is with his '56,:d Old Blue's a '68:x), but there are so many unanswered issues. Like what about the pre 60 car that is heavily updated with modern running gear, brakes etc, and only a pre 60 body and part pre 60 chassis. These cars are already getting tax exemption, which seems all wrong to me.
1956 VW Beetle, 1962 Morris Minor, 1968 VW Beetle (Old Blue), 1972 Morris Mini, 2005 MGTF

Blue, blue, Electric Blue, that's the colour of Old Blue!
harveypj
13 years ago

How is a vintage car owner meant to judge when a bit of welding required is a structural safety issue or just an annoying hole:?:

I'm pleased with the MOT exemption, (well Jon is with his '56,:d Old Blue's a '68:x), but there are so many unanswered issues. Like what about the pre 60 car that is heavily updated with modern running gear, brakes etc, and only a pre 60 body and part pre 60 chassis. These cars are already getting tax exemption, which seems all wrong to me.

Old Blue wrote:







Where there's a law there's a loop hole.
I guess of the 0.6% of cars on the road that we are talking about (pre 1960) only a small portion will be "upgraded / updated" so on the scale of things the Government I don't suppose are that bothered by this.

It does feel weird thou .....no MOT.
I'm happy that I know enough and am responsible enough to keep mine up to standard, but I can't help thinking; how 'Ratty' is 'Rat look' going to get now?



Stock......the new custom
Cool Splitty
13 years ago

how 'Ratty' is 'Rat look' going to get now?

harveypj wrote:


Very, hopefully. Bring it on:d
Cool Splitty. Reel Kool and called Peter.
lifeintheslowlane
13 years ago
I think Traffic Police will be briefed to pull over more ratty and potentially dangerous looking vehicles. That will probably include some of the ridiculously lowered whilst the shiny stock looking vehicles will drive on unhindered. IMO an unhindered progress on the road will depend on presentation.
John.
Cool Splitty
13 years ago

I think Traffic Police will be briefed to pull over more ratty and potentially dangerous looking vehicles. That will probably include some of the ridiculously lowered whilst the shiny stock looking vehicles will drive on unhindered. IMO an unhindered progress on the road will depend on presentation.

lifeintheslowlane wrote:


There are many ratlookers that have had a fullnproper chasis rebuild with new brakes n whatever.They are literally like new under the og body better than many shiney stock cars n will welcome a roadside police chek but dont like the money sucking Mot that the 1960 on lot will have to put upwith on a car you onlyuse sumer weekends:d
Cool Splitty. Reel Kool and called Peter.
pre67vw
13 years ago

There are many ratlookers that have had a fullnproper chasis rebuild with new brakes n whatever.They are literally like new under the og body better than many shiney stock cars n will welcome a roadside police chek but dont like the money sucking Mot that the 1960 on lot will have to put upwith on a car you onlyuse sumer weekends:d

Cool Splitty wrote:



There are some that have had a full on rebuild underneath but a policeman can usually find something on ANY car, be it a dirty number plate or something serious, they just need a reason to stop you in the first place - a ratty looking car is going to give them an excuse. I wonder how many will skip this chassis rebuild if they don't need to impress the MOT man and run around with flintstone floorpans?
Rob Amos
Happiness is a stock VW
lifeintheslowlane
13 years ago

There are many ratlookers that have had a fullnproper chasis rebuild with new brakes n whatever.They are literally like new under the og body better than many shiney stock cars n will welcome a roadside police chek but dont like the money sucking Mot that the 1960 on lot will have to put upwith on a car you onlyuse sumer weekends:d

Cool Splitty wrote:



...but IMO they will still be more likely to be pulled over.

"Can you put that on full lock to the left please sir?"
"...and now to the right."
John.
AW
  • AW
  • pre67vw Junkie
12 years ago
There is a littel thing called construction and use which a lot of people over look. Many years back when i built a Buggy i got hold of a set of rules of the time so if i got a tug by the police thay could not get me on any thing (thay did try once but ended up with egg on there face) But it was intresting to note that a cirtain type of Honda at the time did not compliy with the front indicator regulations 😳 .



Andy W
64rotbox
12 years ago

There are many ratlookers that have had a fullnproper chasis rebuild with new brakes n whatever.They are literally like new under the og body better than many shiney stock cars etc etc

Cool Splitty wrote:



Yes, yes. We've all heard that 'fact' trotted out many, many times before.

I have had the pleasure of seeing two examples, one '58 Beetle and an early '60s Split condemned when they showed up for tests at one of my local garages. Of course now, the owner of the Beetle could have just carried on driving it without addressing any of the issues (tyres rubbing on the inner arches on lock, lack of shocks, dead link pins, inefficient brakes and knackered rear bearings were part of the list, as I recall). Plus it was so stupidly low that it put a huge scrape in the ramp beds. A victory for common sense, indeed.
You can call me Al.
Cool Splitty
12 years ago
The wording i have seen is 'vehicles being mot exempt if used before 1 janary 1960'.So dont go and import acar made before 1960as it wont get exempted as it wont have been used here before 1960 and itdont say made before 1960.In ireland they have pre1980 mot exempt:o
Cool Splitty. Reel Kool and called Peter.
AW
  • AW
  • pre67vw Junkie
12 years ago
I have also heard that the reg numbers of the cars will not be transferable and will be frozen on to that vehicle. Dont know how true it is its after some one had been intouch with the powers that be and thats what it is looking like.




Andy W
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