You can only charge what people are prepared to pay, if you don't want to pay for it - don't buy it...

I consider a £300 for a fibreglass windscreen surround to be expensive, but you'll tell me how much work is involved in making it. 🙂

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You are intitled to fel that £300 for the screen frame is a lot. In real terms it is.

However having the original panels made good enough to mould from in the first place.

Having to then have a mould made in two parts (so 4 moulds in total) to get copies out of.

Getting the first copies out and having to modify them to fit to a standard Beetle.

Having the original (first mould) re-jigged.

Getting another copy made and trial fiiting the 2cnd copies.

Modifying the re-jigged moulds to allow for steel re-inforcment to be fitted inside the GRP winscreen frame.

And final getting a finsihed article out..

I think that considering the amount of work that went into getting a usuable product from scrap panels.. £300 is a fair price to pay.

Because of the time involved in this process, around 300 hours in total which were paid to a specialist to do I have no qualms about asking that price. Because I know that the whole process took about 9 months and cost over £2,000 just to get the single panel that I wanted.

To produce the two halves of the screen fram is time consuming and all done by hand. each one will take about 2 days to lay up and finsih off.

You take a stab at the maths and see if i'm over charging for the item I've offered....

I'll be interested to hear your assesmant of the two methods of production, The screen frame and the overriders.

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you see... :lol:

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I know what it costed me to buy the original set bannana guards !!
And what it costed me to make the repro's !
I tell you, my profit on 1 set(4) is 50 euro(35£)
You can give me name's, but I and a lot of other people here know that I'm not a RIP OFF MERCHANT ! You are now for more then 20 years in the VW scene :roll: , :idea: please try to buy a original set of guards, then you will notice that you don't need 1 guard because there is a different between left and right guards :oops: !
It is so easy to spoil somebody's name in a forum !
I know my parts are very close to the original parts, we made also the badges for the hebmuller, we where working on that for more then 6 months to get them perfect, The only thing tha

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I know what it costed me to buy the original set bannana guards !!(You don't)
And what it costed me to make the repro's !
I tell you, my profit on 1 set(4) is 50 euro(35£) I can live with that , if you don't , it's your problem !
You can give me name's, but I and a lot of other people here know that I'm not a RIP OFF MERCHANT ! You are now for more then 20 years in the VW scene :roll: , :idea: Please try to buy a original set of guards, then you will notice that you don't need 1 guard because there is a different between left and right guards :oops: !
It is so easy to spoil somebody's name in a forum !
I know my parts are like or very close to the original parts, we made also the badges for the hebmuller, we where working on that for more then 6 months to get them perfect. The only thing that we had in our mind was to get a perfect reproduction for heb 623 ! And all the people who bought one or more from our badges are all very happy with those badges, I'm selling parts for more then 20 years, And I'm alway's telling to the buyers, if you're not happy , just send the parts back to me, and I'll return your money !! And I also realize "one's a bad name alway's a bad name" I stiil can show my face on every swapmeet or meeting In Europe and the USA, and you can also meet me in the UK next month !(Eastbourn) and drink a Belgian beer with me and talk abouth your problem with me !

Kind regards,

Guido Rademakers

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I know what it costed me to buy the original set bannana guards !!(You don't)
And what it costed me to make the repro's !
I tell you, my profit on 1 set(4) is 50 euro(35£) I can live with that , if you don't , it's your problem !
You can give me name's, but I and a lot of other people here know that I'm not a RIP OFF MERCHANT ! You are now for more then 20 years in the VW scene :roll: , :idea: Please try to buy a original set of guards, then you will notice that you don't need 1 guard because there is a different between left and right guards :oops: !
It is so easy to spoil somebody's name in a forum !
I know my parts are like or very close to the original parts, we made also the badges for the hebmuller, we where working on that for more then 6 months to get them perfect. The only thing that we had in our mind was to get a perfect reproduction for heb 623 ! And all the people who bought one or more from our badges are all very happy with those badges, I'm selling parts for more then 20 years, And I'm alway's telling to the buyers, if you're not happy , just send the parts back to me, and I'll return your money !! And I also realize "one's a bad name alway's a bad name" I stiil can show my face on every swapmeet or meeting In Europe and the USA, and you can also meet me in the UK next month !(Eastbourn) and drink a Belgian beer with me and talk abouth your problem with me !

Kind regards,

Guido Rademakers

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The problem with these items is that they are expensive to reproduce in such low quantities and the market for the items is so small that you'll never make a lot of money. You have to sell the items at a fairly high price to pay for your initial outlay.

Paul, If I bought a windscreen frame from you, took some moulds from it and started knocking them out for £50 I'm sure you wouldn't be very happy. You've put money, time & effort into it that I wouldn't need to do.

Thats why the thought of you buying one of Guido's overriders, then taking a mould from it and selling repro's cheap wouldn't be warmly received by Guido. Although I don't suppose there would be many people who would want fibreglass ones to be honest.

I don't think that either of you guys are rip-off merchants, its very easy to think that prices are way too high without knowledge of what has gone into developing the item.

Lets all just get along 😎

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I'm always interested to meet with with VW enthusiasts and discuss things 😃

It would be good for us to get together at some time to clear up any misunderstandings that have occured.

I think you may be correct when you say ' it's not too easy to destroy someones reputation'.

If you have a good reputation then ' I cannot see any problem'.

I'd also point out that I am 20+ years with VW, but don't claim as some to know everything. I am always willing to learn new things about VW's from others.

As I've said I'll look forward to getting together some time and share a beer with you.

We'll have more in common than you might imagine. 😃

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Paul ,
That is a good statement you pionted and I think Guido can live with it.

Let's come together somewhere and talk about VW's, what about Hessich Oldendorf 2005.

Do not argue about a price you ask, or a piece you need.
Everybody knows what effort it is to make a certain part, and if you made it, then you have to sell it and the seller has to be happy with it.
That is live.

for example :
I know a nice guy who ownes a complete Hebmuller mould, made on a real ons while in restoration
( NO, it is not Et's Heb, and No, I have no nrs) .
I have seen the back part 10 years ago in SPA and it is flawless and top of the bill.
I have asked the guy to make me one kit to sell me. I have asked him at least 15 times on several meetings. He even told me a price for the GFK kit but he reffuses on this moment to make one. ( not because it is me , but because he dont want to make one...yet )
I do not give his name here. I know he is looking time to time on this site and I want to keep him as a friend.

What I want to say: Do not argue on rip of deals or bad sellers but argue on details , technique and cars and keep everybody as a friend.

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Oval4sever said:
What's more important?!? Finish my real 1949 split or just a heavily modified to a convertible split called a Hebmuller?🅱

If he knew more of the coming into excistance of convertibles in the early years of the Beetle he would swallow his words!!!

And what is more important now?
Like he says to own a modified convertible split called Hebmuller, by the way this conversion fully happened under the blessings of Volkswagen (same thing happened to Karmann)
or maybe to own a 49 split window with wrong or repro taillights mounted!!!

Oh yeah Ovals4ever, just kidding too!!!

:twisted: ET

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Sadly I don't think I will get to any shows outside England this year 😞

However I'd very much look forward to meeting you guys face to face.

Will you be attending any UK sows this year?

I am interested to hear your comments an the person who has mouls from a Heb, but does not produce any? Why not??

I am on a similar quest and should ready to roll in about 4 months time.

I am hoping that there will be some real interest when I have finsished the job. :wink:

I have also a wooden forming buck from Hebmuller Engine lide and hope to offer these in steel and well as grp later on.

What do you think of my offer so far.,, 😎

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ET said:

And what is more important now?
maybe to own a 49 split window with wrong or repro taillights mounted!!!

Oh yeah Ovals4ever, just kidding too!!!


Well maybe a Heb with a repro badge is as just as important. :roll:


Just kidding again!! 😃

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In my eyes its better to own a Hebmuller with an ecellent produced, stamped Hebmuller logo on it than to own a 49 split with with wrong shaped and incorrect taillight(s)!!!
A Hebmuller logo is impossible to find so you are forced to reproduce and when you do that take your time (like I did) and make sure that the result of your badge is as perfect as possible! So that people who see and buy the badge congratulate you for the excellent job that has been done!!!
But to put repro taillights on a 49 split would be the last thing I would do!!!
Those taillights are still out of there somewhere! But offcourse they are (too) expensive so you decide to buy repro's!!! Are they really cheaper? Maybe but actually they are incorrect and besides you are only fooling yourselve!!!

:twisted: ET

BTW: I more like to own a Hebmuller with all the correct parts on it and a repro logo than that I own a 49 split welded together with all wrong dated parts!

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ET -> with wrong shaped and incorrect taillight(s)!!!
Me -> That says more about the one who reproduces them than me, I guess, as I need the original ones or perfect and only perfect reproductions, so I'm looking for someone who can reproduce them aso perfect as they can be otherwise I don't want them. That's the same issue with your Heb! What's the point in reproducinge these rare parts when there is no interest in them? :?

ET -> Those taillights are still out of there somewhere!
Me -> Well let me know if you find some and then we talk further as I think they are as rare than your Heb badge. You've reproduced them to perfect conditions, well that's what I want for the taillights.

ET -> BTW: I more like to own a Hebmuller with all the correct parts on it and a repro logo than that I own a 49 split welded together with all wrong dated parts!
Me -> Who says I'm gonna do that? You were the first with an incorrect part! 😃 I think you don't know me that well. I have a donor 49 split so no incorrect parts on my car. Maybe perfect reproductions and if I ever find original ones I can always change them

This is of course an endless discusion, but at the end we are all enthusiast and like our cars the way they are. I'm sure your Heb will be a beautifull car we all would like to have in our cellection but a split with or without some reproduced parts can be just as beautiful...

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Talking about badges, maybe this is interesting?

Hebmüller badge 

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Nice badge to have, but not correct for VW's...

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ow sorry, didn't know there was a difference... :wink:

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Yes ovals4ever, not every Hebmuller badge you see is good enough for a Hebmuller 2 seater Beetle!
The accurate size of a Hebmuller logo used on Beetles is: 110mm x 40mm
BTW: Hebmuller also produced also for other brands of cars, they even started with horse carriages!

:twisted: ET

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As ususal, it's the 'mine's better than those ones' discussion...
The overriders shown on Rob's picture of my car were made by Dieter Krebernik in Austria who was lent a pair of originals by the Grundmanns in order to make his repros. He claims the repros are perfectly accurate too. The difference is that Krebernik's are far cheaper...I wonder who's right then?
Kind regards, Nicolas.

:wink:

Why is it that nobody ever says 'They're better than the ones I make?'... :?

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