lee ivatt
18 years ago
Ok im about to leave for a 6oo mile round trip in the landrover :cry: to pick up the 49 chassis. As you may remember when we were all looking at the shell on ebay, the chassis had been sold seperatly many years ago, well ive got it back! It turns out that although these two halfs of the car were together for many years and are both '49 in date. they are not the original pair from the factory. Its difficult to shed much light on this, but from what ive heard from many previous owners the original body was damaged beyond repair some time in the late 50's/early 60's and so my shell was put on to replace it!

I feel slightly i'll at this moment in time as i think this is going to jepodise the whole project with regards to originality. Do i now continue to spend all this money or do i just finish the car off with cheaper oval parts or indeed now use the deluxe trim. Obviously any ideas of the car being worth £10k are out of the window???
Please, please help, what do you think the car will be worth when finished, bearing in mind its history!

I feel like a bit of a plank at the mo, laugh at me if you want, is this car a lost cause?

Getting back to the subject, anybody know of any oval wings for sale?
Past Restorations

1954 International Tractor-----1971 1200 Orange Beetle-----1985 Mk3 Escort S1 RS TURBO
1972 1600 VW Camper-----1969 MK1 Escort Mexico RS-----1949 Standard Beetle (incompleted)
1993 Escort Cosworth 4x4 350bhp---1970 1300 Orange Beetle---1971 Aston Martin DBS Vantage
1992 Mk Golf GTI 16v (2.8 VR6 conversion-----1982 MK3 Escort RS 1600i (restored twice!!)
1987 Sierra 3dr Cosworth to concourse--1968 1300 Red Beetle--1967 1500 Lotus White Beetle
1972 1200, Orange beetle (yes I like orange!)

Currently restoring

1958 old english white golge rag top--- 1992 mk3 Golf VR6
Chris
18 years ago
Lee,
My advice, for what it's worth, is to forget how much you will be able to sell it for once complete. (Unless this is your motivation for restoring it :cry: .) If you do you will never do the job correctly. I'll have spent more restoring my oval than I'd get for it if I was to sell it. But that's not important to me, (But don't tell the Mrs :wink: ) Build it as best you can with as much correct stuff as possible and don't rush it. If I remember rightly, George's '50 took about 7 years from when he bought it, to when he first drove it. (And it was worth the wait 😃 )

Chris
A day may come when the courage of men fails, when we forsake our friends and break all bonds of fellowship, but it is not this day.
mrsherbie
18 years ago
Dont lose enthusiasm!! I only posted the wings, as if I can do it (well Dave's welding skills here actually) then you certainly can!! You are ahead of most of us as you are tackling all the welding yourself. So you are going to save a fortune on bodywork. My budget has been pretty low for mine, virtually all parts and just actual welding time labour.
A split is easy in comparison to most cars! Your mk1 will be more complex! (mk1's are ultra cool by the way, even though we can't mention that here! :lol: )
God, I'm a dizzy woman and I havent got stuck yet, so it's a breeze for you!
The hardest part is the correct parts and the answers you get on this forum are all good regarding that as there are some great guys who really know the answers.
'Standard' is also cheaper and more simple than 'deluxe'
You have got a '49 floor and body, which is correct regardless of the body no and chassis no being from the same car! Who's really going to ever know that anyway! Or care!
The car will look right.
Mailing you about the trim holes
😃

Just think how proud you will be to finish this car. There are'nt many 20 somethings who have restored a split!!!! And you definitely can, its easy!!


"it'll wreck the patina you haven't worked so hard to create" - 50Karmann
mrsherbie
18 years ago
Thinking about it, you will make a huge amount of extra work if you want to deluxe it as you have no headlining/interior trim 'teeth' in your car, up in the rear corners either side of the window, around the door frames, you would have to weld something in to do the job and that could end up looking messy once it's trimmed as it would have to be welded in exactly the right place to work. Also the extra cost of fabric etc. etc.
Standard is great, you can show your bodywork skills as much of the upper interior of the car will be a painted finish.
😃
"it'll wreck the patina you haven't worked so hard to create" - 50Karmann
'50 Karmann
18 years ago

Lee,
. If I remember rightly, George's '50 took about 7 years from when he bought it, to when he first drove it. (And it was worth the wait 😃 )

Chris

"SDV" wrote:




4 YEARS and 9 MONTHS
lee ivatt
18 years ago
Thanks, i nearly had a wobbly moment earlier. Oh and Mk1s are cool arnt they, shhhh you cant tell anyone i said that, did you like the picture at the start of this thread?

As for time limit, well personally i dont think a car is 'ever' finished, George i bet u agree with me here! As ive always said id like to get it to the lavenham show 08. Obviously it wont be complete, my idea is to use oval parts if i cant find the split ones, then swap them over when ever i source the split parts, i can also then sell the oval parts on again!

I dont plan to sell her, but then again i totally disagree that i have to loose money to make it good! Also id like to point out...isnt everything for sale if the right price is offered. Id sell my house if someone wanted to part ex a Miura SV!

Ok so im off tommrow night to Carlisle. 650 mile round trip from mine, 12 hours in my plush comfortabley furnished landrover 110 pick-up...it has an interior light. to collect the chassis!

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Past Restorations

1954 International Tractor-----1971 1200 Orange Beetle-----1985 Mk3 Escort S1 RS TURBO
1972 1600 VW Camper-----1969 MK1 Escort Mexico RS-----1949 Standard Beetle (incompleted)
1993 Escort Cosworth 4x4 350bhp---1970 1300 Orange Beetle---1971 Aston Martin DBS Vantage
1992 Mk Golf GTI 16v (2.8 VR6 conversion-----1982 MK3 Escort RS 1600i (restored twice!!)
1987 Sierra 3dr Cosworth to concourse--1968 1300 Red Beetle--1967 1500 Lotus White Beetle
1972 1200, Orange beetle (yes I like orange!)

Currently restoring

1958 old english white golge rag top--- 1992 mk3 Golf VR6
lee ivatt
18 years ago
Well I think for the backs i'll use the wolf part and either graft it in or use it as a template against the wing and use my pannel beating equipment. I might practice on the present wings! Id rather use the hammers than weld as it will then be free of any imperfections!

As for the fronts I can simply weld the grilles up 😃 , so all im left to do is sort the flaring where it meets the running board! Do wolf make this section, or am i just going to have to make it up from scratch?
Past Restorations

1954 International Tractor-----1971 1200 Orange Beetle-----1985 Mk3 Escort S1 RS TURBO
1972 1600 VW Camper-----1969 MK1 Escort Mexico RS-----1949 Standard Beetle (incompleted)
1993 Escort Cosworth 4x4 350bhp---1970 1300 Orange Beetle---1971 Aston Martin DBS Vantage
1992 Mk Golf GTI 16v (2.8 VR6 conversion-----1982 MK3 Escort RS 1600i (restored twice!!)
1987 Sierra 3dr Cosworth to concourse--1968 1300 Red Beetle--1967 1500 Lotus White Beetle
1972 1200, Orange beetle (yes I like orange!)

Currently restoring

1958 old english white golge rag top--- 1992 mk3 Golf VR6
chris.james
18 years ago
put a big lump of ally at the back of the hole when you weld it will take away the heat.plenty of wet rags to.
pre67vw
18 years ago


As for the fronts I can simply weld the grilles up 😃 , so all im left to do is sort the flaring where it meets the running board! Do wolf make this section, or am i just going to have to make it up from scratch?

"lee ivatt" wrote:



Are you talking about doing this to pattern wings? I thought you were going to use George's Karmann as your benchmark? You'll be a long way short of the mark before you even get going...

As has been said before...

Genuine VW wings from the '50s are a completly different shape to all the repro wings on the market which are a better match for the later '65-'67 original wings (much thinner metal though!). If you fit repro wings and just block the horn grills, it will be very noticible when you park next to a car with original wings so you'ld be better finding some oval model wings to modify, whatever they cost you!

"six-o-one" wrote:


Rob Amos
Happiness is a stock VW
lee ivatt
18 years ago
I dont know why you've concluded that, i thought i made it clear that my intentions are to source oval wings and adapt them. Patterns are out of the question!
Past Restorations

1954 International Tractor-----1971 1200 Orange Beetle-----1985 Mk3 Escort S1 RS TURBO
1972 1600 VW Camper-----1969 MK1 Escort Mexico RS-----1949 Standard Beetle (incompleted)
1993 Escort Cosworth 4x4 350bhp---1970 1300 Orange Beetle---1971 Aston Martin DBS Vantage
1992 Mk Golf GTI 16v (2.8 VR6 conversion-----1982 MK3 Escort RS 1600i (restored twice!!)
1987 Sierra 3dr Cosworth to concourse--1968 1300 Red Beetle--1967 1500 Lotus White Beetle
1972 1200, Orange beetle (yes I like orange!)

Currently restoring

1958 old english white golge rag top--- 1992 mk3 Golf VR6
pre67vw
18 years ago

I dont know why you've concluded that, i thought i made it clear that my intentions are to source oval wings and adapt them. Patterns are out of the question!

"lee ivatt" wrote:



Sorry, my mistake then - If you source early oval wings then the back part of the front wings will be correct, no need for panel beating (thats what made me think you were using pattern wings)
Rob Amos
Happiness is a stock VW
six-o-one
18 years ago
Lee, Quick! there's a good split wing for sale on the Samba at the moment...

Only $390 (Located in Finland)

https://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=365401 

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