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14 years ago

Hello rattletrap
Why should Christian bring the 38 to a Show in England ( or lavenham )

Bjoern wrote:



Because it would be awesome!

Don't let anyone criticise what you guys have done with the VW38, there's not a single element on the car that could have been done better.

Rattletrap needs to question whether it's a restoration or a re-creation because his own car has had so much work done on it that only the handbrake is original. If people accept the VW38 as original then he thinks his own car will also be a accepted 'by proxy'
:wink:
Rob Amos
Happiness is a stock VW
Mike Peckham
14 years ago


GIVE ME THE NUMBERS AND I'LL PROVE IT ALL A LIE

'50 Karmann wrote:




When Tony registered the car on the Ancient Beetle Register, he used the chassis number 1-0 433 703. This was before the chassis was swapped for a post 07/55 replacement. The chassis number he quoted gives a production date of 16 January 1953, according to Volkswagen the car left the factory on 17 January 1953 headed for Anciens Establissements/Belgium.

That all ties in with the '53 Zwitter that the car has always appeared to be...

Jon knows the car is a '53 and that the mileage claims are spurious, but he clearly wants to perpetuate Tony's stories about it being a record breaking prototype.This is a largely harmless roose as generally speaking, everyone who has been around the VW scene for a few years (in my case more than 30), knows where the fiction of Tony's stories end and reality begins. I just worry that people who come across the car for the first time will believe the false claims.

I hate history being misrrepresented. 😳

Mike
July 1957 UK supplied RHD Oval. 1972 World Champion Beetle. 1978 UK supplied RHD 1303LS Cabriolet. 1973 UK supplied RHD 1303s.
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GKL 7
14 years ago

When Tony registered the car on the Ancient Beetle Register, he used the chassis number 1-0 433 703. This was before the chassis was swapped for a post 07/55 replacement. The chassis number he quoted gives a production date of 16 January 1953, according to Volkswagen the car left the factory on 17 January 1953 headed for Anciens Establissements/Belgium.

That all ties in with the '53 Zwitter that the car has always appeared to be...

Jon knows the car is a '53 and that the mileage claims are spurious, but he clearly wants to perpetuate Tony's stories about it being a record breaking prototype.This is a largely harmless roose as generally speaking, everyone who has been around the VW scene for a few years (in my case more than 30), knows where the fiction of Tony's stories end and reality begins. I just worry that people who come across the car for the first time will believe the false claims.

I hate history being misrrepresented. 😳

Mike

Mike Peckham wrote:



I already knew this Mike.
So why come on here forcing the false story down everyones throats,hijacking and taking over every single thread,mentioning the car at whim,even when it has no connection to the surroundings.(despite being asked by Rob,not to)
Rattletrap,i admit has a long and varied history and it makes good reading.But the fact is the car was produced in 1953 and not 1950.So if you'll make this part up,just how much of the rest of the story is not true.
It just winds me, and a lot of other people on this site,up.We never get a break from it.It's thrown in at every available opportunity.
Hence asking for the numbers,it may just have had the subject dropped if only to give us a break for a while,instead i'm ignored and we go off on another week of Rattletrap.
And because of this hi-jacking,once again this thread has gone a long,long way from it's excellent beginnings.
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Mike Peckham
14 years ago

I already knew this Mike.
So why come on here forcing the false story down everyones throats,hijacking and taking over every single thread,mentioning the car at whim,even when it has no connection to the surroundings.(despite being asked by Rob,not to)
Rattletrap,i admit has a long and varied history and it makes good reading.But the fact is the car was produced in 1953 and not 1950.So if you'll make this part up,just how much of the rest of the story is not true.
It just winds me, and a lot of other people on this site,up.We never get a break from it.It's thrown in at every available opportunity.
Hence asking for the numbers,it may just have had the subject dropped if only to give us a break for a while,instead i'm ignored and we go off on another week of Rattletrap.
And because of this hi-jacking,once again this thread has gone a long,long way from it's excellent beginnings.

'50 Karmann wrote:




I agree, but there is so much great content on this site that for the most part I can just ignore all the Rattletrap Claptrap. I just worry that if a story is told often enough it will become perceived as fact and that is why every now and again I feel inclined to say something.

Having said that, Tony was telling the story for at least a couple of decades and very few people were truely taken in by it.

So there is hope.

Mike
July 1957 UK supplied RHD Oval. 1972 World Champion Beetle. 1978 UK supplied RHD 1303LS Cabriolet. 1973 UK supplied RHD 1303s.
Rattletrap
14 years ago

...This was before the chassis was swapped for a post 07/55 replacement...

Mike Peckham wrote:


You've see the pictures I posted Mike, and the chassis does not appear as post 7/55. :?


Because it would be awesome!

pre67vw wrote:


X2 We'd all love to see it.:thumbup:


Rattletrap needs to question whether it's a restoration or a re-creation because his own car has had so much work done on it that only the handbrake is original. If people accept the VW38 as original then he thinks his own car will also be a accepted 'by proxy':wink:

pre67vw wrote:


Hey come on, well over half the body has survived.:o


..it seems to me you rarely miss a chance to inflate your "feature" cars at others expense.

lifeintheslowlane wrote:


Car(s)? I don't mention the others at all, (are they 'feature' cars?) apart from Rattletrap from time-to-time. Can't say that any of the others really are in Rattletrap's league.

There's more early Beetles around today than since their demise in the 70s, but Beetles with a real history are as scarce as ever. I feel that cars like Rattletrap are important, they make the news and bring the hobby to the general public's attention. This is something I've always strived to do as far back as 1978 with MRT 308 another very historic Beetle.

If people choose to slam famous VWs like Rattletrap down and rubbish their history there's litte I can do, other than question their desire to increase numbers joining our hobby.

Hello rattletrap
Why should Christian bring the 38 to a Show in England ( or lavenham ) if it is a copy or a Fake ?

Bjoern wrote:


I have not said it is a copy or a fake, Björn I love the car and hope to see it. I asked what the cars identity is, is it that of the chassis or the body.:?

( what did you do for the vw World ? )
Björn

Bjoern... wrote:


Apparently in the 33 years I have spent in devotion to the VW Beetle, nothing at all judging by the comments made here.:?
Rattletrap – the Volkswagen Beetle that has covered an incredible mileage equivalent to over 35 times around the planet :omg:
Running nifty since 1950… the King of Volkswagens:beer: Why not make friends with this famous little VW – he's on facebook! :d
http://forums.pre67vw.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=16378 
lifeintheslowlane
14 years ago


Car(s)? I don't mention the others at all, (are they 'feature' cars?) apart from Rattletrap from time-to-time. Can't say that any of the others really are in Rattletrap's league.

Rattletrap wrote:



"The real Beetle Prototype" and "RT" ad nauseam...I don't think they're "feature cars" either it just appears that's how you present them. You just have to look at your signature to realise you're caught up in this "Celebrity Culture" about promoting yourself through your alter-egos. Nobody else has the "brass neck" to do this with their cars...does Christian do this in his signature? Certainly not.
John.
Mike Peckham
14 years ago

You've see the pictures I posted Mike, and the chassis does not appear as post 7/55. :?



Rattletrap wrote:



I've seen the pictures you've posted. I've also seen the car, both before and after the crash and subsequent rebuild. It had a post 07/55 chassis fitted in the eqrly seventies, Tony himself admitted to this and said that VW had supplied the chassis in return for using the car for advertising purposes. It certainly still had that chassis fitted after the crash and it is clearly identifiable in the rebuild pictures published in Safer Motoring and subsequently posted on this site.

If it now has a pre 07/55 chassis fitted (which I doubt) it must have been fitted whilst the car was in the care of the Bentley Wildfowl and Motor Museum, which seems unlikely.

Tony's apocryphal stories about the car, it's mileage and it being some sort of obscure prototype, were entertaining and providing they were accepted with a pinch of salt, did no harm. Unfortunately Jon, what you are doing to the car now is turning it into some sort of hate figure and I don't think that's what Tony would have wanted...

Mike
July 1957 UK supplied RHD Oval. 1972 World Champion Beetle. 1978 UK supplied RHD 1303LS Cabriolet. 1973 UK supplied RHD 1303s.
Rattletrap
14 years ago

"The real Beetle Prototype" and "RT" ad nauseam...I don't think they're "feature cars" either it just appears that's how you present them. You just have to look at your signature to realise you're caught up in this "Celebrity Culture" about promoting yourself through your alter-egos. Nobody else has the "brass neck" to do this with their cars...does Christian do this in his signature? Certainly not.

lifeintheslowlane wrote:


Well, I had no idea that anyone would consider my thread "The real Beetle Prototype" anything other than interesting. Just the same as Rattletrap, (an actual' feature car') its all lies I suppose, even though VW conceeded liability to Tatra and paid them damages. That was my first effort here in joining back in 2006, and I was pleased with it. I am not alone with the Tatra VW theory, similar opinions are to be found all over the Web. My cars involved in that topic are not VWs but Tatras. The Tatra T97 is the most odd car too see, and the T87 is an awesome car that overshadows any VW in my collection or anywhere else, even Rattletrap, but maybe you've not seen either in the flesh. I am however a Beetle devotee, the Tatras are an extension of my interest.:wink:

I've started other threads which I thought others liked as they seem to have run a good length of time. I'm searching for your efforts, John.:mellow:
Rattletrap – the Volkswagen Beetle that has covered an incredible mileage equivalent to over 35 times around the planet :omg:
Running nifty since 1950… the King of Volkswagens:beer: Why not make friends with this famous little VW – he's on facebook! :d
http://forums.pre67vw.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=16378 
Rattletrap
14 years ago

...why come on here forcing the false story down everyones throats,hijacking and taking over every single thread,mentioning the car at whim,even when it has no connection to the surroundings.(despite being asked by Rob,not to)...
.....And because of this hi-jacking,once again this thread has gone a long,long way from it's excellent beginnings.

'50 Karmann wrote:


Why don't you just say it George....:x
Rattletrap – the Volkswagen Beetle that has covered an incredible mileage equivalent to over 35 times around the planet :omg:
Running nifty since 1950… the King of Volkswagens:beer: Why not make friends with this famous little VW – he's on facebook! :d
http://forums.pre67vw.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=16378 
55Kab
14 years ago
Guys, please...let's not go through this all again.

I really like Rattletrap for all the history good or bad but it's no better or worse than any other old Bug's history. Let's keep the story of the rebuild closed for the moment and concentrate on topic...nice early vintage VW's >>>

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lifeintheslowlane
14 years ago

I've started other threads which I thought others liked as they seem to have run a good length of time. I'm searching for your efforts, John.:mellow:

Rattletrap wrote:



Perhaps that's because I don't have your penchant for self promotion.:wink:
John.
GKL 7
14 years ago

Why don't you just say it George....:x

Rattletrap wrote:





Say what:?:
Rattletrap
14 years ago

Perhaps that's because I don't have your penchant for self promotion.:wink:

lifeintheslowlane wrote:



No original contribution, causing rifts, tearing apart others efforts… now where else have I seen that.:roll:

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Rattletrap – the Volkswagen Beetle that has covered an incredible mileage equivalent to over 35 times around the planet :omg:
Running nifty since 1950… the King of Volkswagens:beer: Why not make friends with this famous little VW – he's on facebook! :d
http://forums.pre67vw.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=16378 
lifeintheslowlane
14 years ago

No original contribution, causing rifts, tearing apart others efforts… now where else have I seen that.:roll:

Rattletrap wrote:



I have no need to justify myself here or in any other part of the hobby...my contributions are out there if you care to search.:d
John.
Rattletrap
14 years ago

......Tony's apocryphal stories about the car, it's mileage and it being some sort of obscure prototype, were entertaining and providing they were accepted with a pinch of salt, did no harm. Unfortunately Jon, what you are doing to the car now is turning it into some sort of hate figure and I don't think that's what Tony would have wanted...

Mike

Mike Peckham wrote:


I've always had a of of respect for your posts Mike. But you wasn't in the Wolfsburg factory in 1950, and I doubt that there's anyone around now that was.

We only know information that Volkswagen have on record, or are indeed prepared to pass out. There's things like paying damages to Tatra that they conveniently never mention.

As far as Rattletrap's origin in 1950 is concerned there are those here that like yourself dispute it.:x

Then there are those that don't care much because they like the car for what it is, along with the legend and story that it carries in the old car world.:d

Then there are some that accept the complete history as correct – a 1950 manufactured Beetle.:thumbup:

You are saying that you don't like to see history altered. Let adults decide for themselves, you just might be wrong in your belief.

You mention Tony Levy, the last time I spoke to him at a show he seemed so fed up with all the 'idiots' arguing with him about Rattletrap's authenticity. I don't think he'd cared if anyone hated his car or not, but my guess is he probably hated the fools that wouldn't lay off. I doubt they helped his health in later years either. Now it seems I'lI have to put up with the idiots too it if I take Rattletrap out to a VW show.:mellow:
Rattletrap – the Volkswagen Beetle that has covered an incredible mileage equivalent to over 35 times around the planet :omg:
Running nifty since 1950… the King of Volkswagens:beer: Why not make friends with this famous little VW – he's on facebook! :d
http://forums.pre67vw.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=16378 
pre67vw
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14 years ago
Please:

No more talk of Rattletrap in any thread other than the designated RT thread.

Any other posts about RT from here forward will be deleted.

by order of the management
Rob Amos
Happiness is a stock VW
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JD
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14 years ago

Please:

No more talk of Rattletrap in any thread other than the designated RT thread.

Any other posts about RT from here forward will be deleted.

by order of the management

pre67vw wrote:




UserPostedImage
"John, you need to get a grip and STOP MOANING AT EVERYTHING. ThumbDown "
UserPostedImage
Rattletrap
14 years ago
UserPostedImage
Why, thank you for the applause – you've been a smashing audience.:thumbup:

I now hand you back over to the VW38 and the Grundmann collection.:wink:


Rattletrap – the Volkswagen Beetle that has covered an incredible mileage equivalent to over 35 times around the planet :omg:
Running nifty since 1950… the King of Volkswagens:beer: Why not make friends with this famous little VW – he's on facebook! :d
http://forums.pre67vw.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=16378 
lifeintheslowlane
14 years ago
Excellent video BTW Rob...what editor software do you use?
John.
pre67vw
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14 years ago

Excellent video BTW Rob...what editor software do you use?

lifeintheslowlane wrote:



Thanks! iMovie - with text added from After Effects.
Rob Amos
Happiness is a stock VW
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