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SplitPersonality
14 years ago

Well well well, what a fascinating insight into your personal beliefs... It certainly does explain a lot.

I can honestly say that I am totally appalled by the Nazi actions, and yet I am indeed a fan of the Beetle.

Although I don't like censorship, there is no room on this site for anyone who sympathises with the Nazis (or uses the topic to troll) - so unfortunately, that post gets you a ban.

pre67vw wrote:




Time to clean house - thanks Rob!
Rattletrap
14 years ago
My poor thread.:cry:

After that though I do wonder if you can love the Volkswagen too much.:?
Rattletrap – the Volkswagen Beetle that has covered an incredible mileage equivalent to over 35 times around the planet :omg:
Running nifty since 1950… the King of Volkswagens:beer: Why not make friends with this famous little VW – he's on facebook! :d
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Rattletrap
14 years ago

.....there is no room on this site for anyone who sympathises with the Nazis (or uses the topic to troll) - so unfortunately, that post gets you a ban.

pre67vw wrote:



If someone who joins pre67vw owns a KdF Wagen complete with machine gun, military uniform and attends war renactments would they be welcome because I'd thought that was 'sympathising with the Nazis', and I'd find it very distasteful. That rules out ownership of Kubelwagens and Schwimwagens too:?
Rattletrap – the Volkswagen Beetle that has covered an incredible mileage equivalent to over 35 times around the planet :omg:
Running nifty since 1950… the King of Volkswagens:beer: Why not make friends with this famous little VW – he's on facebook! :d
http://forums.pre67vw.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=16378 
GKL 7
14 years ago

That rules out ownership of Kubelwagens and Schwimwagens too:?

Rattletrap wrote:




WHY? He may be a French farmer that "liberated" such a vehicle.Or anyone of ten thousand other reasons.
Rattletrap
14 years ago

WHY? He may be a French farmer that "liberated" such a vehicle.Or anyone of ten thousand other reasons.

'50 Karmann wrote:


Yes but at what point do you draw the line. Unlike the 'Beetle' that had a dodgy enough start in life anyway, the Kubel and Schwim were made with a certain purpose in life – and it wasn't for going to Sainsbury's in on a Saturday morning.:mellow:
Rattletrap – the Volkswagen Beetle that has covered an incredible mileage equivalent to over 35 times around the planet :omg:
Running nifty since 1950… the King of Volkswagens:beer: Why not make friends with this famous little VW – he's on facebook! :d
http://forums.pre67vw.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=16378 
pre67vw
14 years ago
Owning/Liking Kdf's, Kübels & Schwimmers doesn't mean that you believe in Nazism, nor does being interested in military re-enactments. But it is a touchy subject - I have certainly removed photos that have included the swastika, by request of members from countries occupied during ww2.

My opinion is that a car is an inanimate object incapable of religious/political beliefs, so it's all down to the beliefs and attitudes of it's owner. It doesn't matter if the vehicle is a Kübel or a 1970's bug...

Saying you need to like Nazi's in order to truely like VW's is way beyond where I draw the line.
Rob Amos
Happiness is a stock VW
Rattletrap
14 years ago


Saying you need to like Nazi's in order to truely like VW's is way beyond where I draw the line.

pre67vw wrote:


Well I love the Beetle and I am appalled and disgusted by the Nazis actions. However, while I consider its fine to own a Schwim, Kubel or whatever in a 'decommissioned' civilian state, I find it very distasteful to see one complete with machine gun, swastika and the occupants in Nazi uniform.:x

There are different views to what is acceptable though. A holocaust survivor or someone that has lost family to the Nazis would have a justifyable deep-rooted hatred of them. They would find restoring and treasuring a 1940's-50s Beetle distasteful, and would never want to own a VW. Then take James May's comment on the Beetle - 'a mass murderer's car' he said to the Beetle owner. What would he call a Kubel.:?:

At a classic car show in Norfolk some years ago I had on display MRT 308, my '52 split. I was hammered by an old soldier as to why I restored and displayed 'a Nazi car'. At the Enfield Pageant in the early '80s drivers were invited to drive their classic cars around the show arena to a commentry. The commentator obviously hated Beetles. He gave out the most embarrassing commentry as I drove around – 'this is the Nazi Hitler's car, it hasn't changed at all blah, blah……

My point of this post is to show that people have different levels to what is acceptable on a very sensitive issue, including people here. Was Ovaltine saying 'he liked the Nazis' or was he saying 'although he disliked the Nazis he thought you cannot really hate and despise them if you own a Beetle?':?

Rattletrap – the Volkswagen Beetle that has covered an incredible mileage equivalent to over 35 times around the planet :omg:
Running nifty since 1950… the King of Volkswagens:beer: Why not make friends with this famous little VW – he's on facebook! :d
http://forums.pre67vw.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=16378 
lifeintheslowlane
14 years ago
To be honest I don't think Ovaltine ever really understood what he was saying or how he was saying it.

He seemed genuinely surprised that anyone should take exception to the things he said. I think he has a very real problem empathising with people...ie a basic understanding their viewpoints. I don't think that applies to anyone else on this forum.
John.
Rattletrap
14 years ago

To be honest I don't think Ovaltine ever really understood what he was saying or how he was saying it.

He seemed genuinely surprised that anyone should take exception to the things he said. I think he has a very real problem empathising with people...ie a basic understanding their viewpoints. I don't think that applies to anyone else on this forum.

lifeintheslowlane wrote:


Looking back through the posts, as my ol' gran used to say 'he's a sandwich short of a picnic' – a nutter.

It is of concern though that there are web sites for Nazi memrobilia, and more concerning that people collect the stuff. This I think may also explain Ovaltine's excessive posting regarding the VW38 – to him it's such an item.

One good thing about owning a '46 or '47, you can justify that to the anti-Beetle brigade as an item of British historical interest as it was built under the direction of British occupation.:thumbup:

My opinion is that a car is an inanimate object incapable of religious/political beliefs, so it's all down to the beliefs and attitudes of it's owner. It doesn't matter if the vehicle is a Kübel or a 1970's bug...

Saying you need to like Nazi's in order to truely like VW's is way beyond where I draw the line.

pre67vw wrote:


But you'd feel comfortable driving around in a Schwim or Kubel that may have been originally used by … well who knows and for what purpose…:?

Nope – no Schwim or Kubel going in my garage.:thumbdn:
Rattletrap – the Volkswagen Beetle that has covered an incredible mileage equivalent to over 35 times around the planet :omg:
Running nifty since 1950… the King of Volkswagens:beer: Why not make friends with this famous little VW – he's on facebook! :d
http://forums.pre67vw.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=16378 
lifeintheslowlane
14 years ago

Nope – no Schwim or Kubel going in my garage.:thumbdn:

Rattletrap wrote:



I think you have a fair point...it's a personal choice but it does lose sight of the reality that Kubels and Schwimmers were mostly driven by ordinary, decent, moral grandparents of our German friends. Demonising Nazism is something I'm very happy to do and so do our German friends. Demonising everyone who wore a German uniform is insulting to our friends.

I'm not saying that's what you're saying John, I know it isn't...it's just an explanation why I wouldn't find it difficult to either drive or own a Kubel or a Schwimmer...if I had the money.
John.
JD
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  • pre67vw Junkie
14 years ago


It is of concern though that there are web sites for Nazi memrobilia, and more concerning that people collect the stuff.

Rattletrap wrote:



I have a Wehrmacht belt that my Dad brought back from the war as a souvenir. To me it´s memorabilia from my Dad, not the nazis. There are lots of reasons why one might happen to have such things.
"John, you need to get a grip and STOP MOANING AT EVERYTHING. ThumbDown "
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pre67vw
14 years ago


But you'd feel comfortable driving around in a Schwim or Kubel that may have been originally used by … well who knows and for what purpose…:?

Rattletrap wrote:



It's not like you're going to 'catch' Nazism by sitting in a Kübel

Would you drive this given the chance?

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I would...
Rob Amos
Happiness is a stock VW
Rattletrap
14 years ago

It's not like you're going to 'catch' Nazism by sitting in a Kübel

Would you drive this given the chance?

pre67vw wrote:


Of course… its a car designed before the war and for civilian use. I'd love that in my garage (with correct lights and bumper though).

Kubels and Schwims were designed for military use in the War…
Rattletrap – the Volkswagen Beetle that has covered an incredible mileage equivalent to over 35 times around the planet :omg:
Running nifty since 1950… the King of Volkswagens:beer: Why not make friends with this famous little VW – he's on facebook! :d
http://forums.pre67vw.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=16378 
54 Gertie
14 years ago



Would you drive this given the chance?

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I would...

pre67vw wrote:



Try getting someone to sit in the back. :rofl:

(I know it's the the 'Hitler Vert')
William
Rattletrap
14 years ago

I think you have a fair point...it's a personal choice but it does lose sight of the reality that Kubels and Schwimmers were mostly driven by ordinary, decent, moral grandparents of our German friends.

lifeintheslowlane wrote:


Of course, and that was in the car's postwar life.

Germans I have met are very nice decent people and have no more favour for Nazism than you or I, John.:wink:

Unfortunately there are Ovaltine's in Germany as there are here and elsewhere.:o
Rattletrap – the Volkswagen Beetle that has covered an incredible mileage equivalent to over 35 times around the planet :omg:
Running nifty since 1950… the King of Volkswagens:beer: Why not make friends with this famous little VW – he's on facebook! :d
http://forums.pre67vw.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=16378 
Rattletrap
14 years ago

I have a Wehrmacht belt that my Dad brought back from the war as a souvenir. To me it´s memorabilia from my Dad, not the nazis. There are lots of reasons why one might happen to have such things.

JD wrote:


Nothing wrong whatsoever with that.:beer:

You're not being an avid collector of Nazi memerobilia.:mellow:
Rattletrap – the Volkswagen Beetle that has covered an incredible mileage equivalent to over 35 times around the planet :omg:
Running nifty since 1950… the King of Volkswagens:beer: Why not make friends with this famous little VW – he's on facebook! :d
http://forums.pre67vw.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=16378 
Rattletrap
14 years ago
This week's Classic Car Buyer have an interesting feature on the VW Beetle.

This is a well-researched piece and some-one has really done their homework.

I know this to be so because they state in the opening paragraph that certain Beetle features were taken from the Tatra T97, and consequently Tatra later sued Volkswagen who paid them an awful lot of money.

There really is no smoke without fire, more especially as Volkswagen continue to remain in silence on this matter despite growing opinion around the world favouring the Tatra T97 as the Beetle's Daddy. :wink:

Rattletrap – the Volkswagen Beetle that has covered an incredible mileage equivalent to over 35 times around the planet :omg:
Running nifty since 1950… the King of Volkswagens:beer: Why not make friends with this famous little VW – he's on facebook! :d
http://forums.pre67vw.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=16378 
pre67vw
14 years ago

This week's Classic Car Buyer have an interesting feature on the VW Beetle.

This is a well-researched piece and some-one has really done their homework.

I know this to be so because they state in the opening paragraph that certain Beetle features were taken from the Tatra T97, and consequently Tatra later sued Volkswagen who paid them an awful lot of money.

There really is no smoke without fire, more especially as Volkswagen continue to remain in silence on this matter despite growing opinion around the world favouring the Tatra T97 as the Beetle's Daddy. :wink:

Rattletrap wrote:



They sent me an email asking me if I wanted to advertise, so maybe their research was done here. :lol:

What is actually known about the court case/settlement? It could of course just have been a back payment of royalties over some design patent. Porsche was keen on the individual designers filing their own patents, so for example Kommenda had many patents relating to the Beetle. It could have been that Porsche never stole anything, but used ideas in good faith And then Volkswagen had to settle up after the war... But then that wouldnt be such a sensational story would it...?
Rob Amos
Happiness is a stock VW
356boy
14 years ago
i own loads of nazi memerobilia does that mean i'm banned and a 'nutter'!!
pre67vw
14 years ago

i own loads of nazi memerobilia does that mean i'm banned and a 'nutter'!!

356boy wrote:



You're probably a nutter yes, but you'll only get banned if you start pledging your support for the Nazis here on the forum.
Rob Amos
Happiness is a stock VW
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