Last Triumph
14 years ago

Miracles really do exist, just as well that take pictures of everything that has to do with finding such a pearl, you are very lucky, the Oval this whole you enjoy it as a show the last picture already doing, greetings from Paraguay South America! !:d :d :d

tipo3 wrote:



Greetings my amigo! :beer:
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beefykeefy
14 years ago

The gauze filter is attached to a metal ring which is trapped in place when the fuel tap is installed.

I trust you have the fuel tap out and 'on the bench'? If so, just prize the metal ring up from the body of the tap with a small screwdriver etc and it should just come free.

It might be glued in place with years of fuel 'varnish' etc. Good luck.

Last Triumph wrote:



You were right. Years of gum and varnish made this little job a very big job.

Spent an hour cleaning it, then soaked in WD40 for 20 mins. Ended up getting a bradawl behind the ally base of the old filter and hey-presto, it came off :beer: :beer:
Last Triumph
14 years ago

Where are you getting your shims from?Been looking for some myself.

Mike

Sunroof53 wrote:




Hmmm - an evening of disappointment...

Called KK the other day who said that they don't stock shims but that Heritage do...

Another thread on another site said that Heritage haven't got any left.

Machine7 stock shims so I ordered them and they are too big in diameter despite me asking if they were correct.

I trust early ones are a smaller diameter?

So - its all engines STOP until I can get some correct shimms....

Answers on a postcard before the cobwebs start to build up. 😞
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55Kab
14 years ago

Answers on a postcard before the cobwebs start to build up. 😞

Last Triumph wrote:



Can't you get a friendly engineering shop to machine some up for you :?:

TomF
14 years ago

Can't you get a friendly engineering shop to machine some up for you :?:

55Kab wrote:


Exactly what I was going to suggest, if you know the inner and outer diameter and the thickness you require, surely some engineering firm could make some up for you?

You could even make a batch and supply Heritage, they have been out of stock for a long time IIRC.
Sunroof53
14 years ago

Shims are not machined as such, they are stamped from spring steel i think.A fabrication company with a hole punching machine(strippit IIRC ) may be the best bet.
Good luck.
LT, are you going to the ivan hirst show this weekend ?
Sunroof53
14 years ago
Just out of interest ,what is your endfloat with your original shims ?.You can gain 0.1mm by leaving out the paper gasket between the flywheel and crank and maybe use loctite instead .
Last Triumph
14 years ago

Just out of interest ,what is your endfloat with your original shims ?.You can gain 0.1mm by leaving out the paper gasket between the flywheel and crank and maybe use loctite instead .

Sunroof53 wrote:



Sorry - can't make any shows this weekend - I'm working, like most weekends... :roll: Badly in need of a career change, but thats a long running saga not for this thread...

With the 3 original 0.3 shims in place, I'm at 0.2 - 0.21 depending on how hard I pull the flywheel, so yeah, if I ditched the paper gasket, I guess I'd be there...

But....


It doesn't seem the right thing to do to be honest. I don't know it's exact purpose but imagine it's there for a reason???

I might have tracked down someone with a few lying around in their shed and am just waiting to hear...
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Last Triumph
14 years ago
Sorry for the radio silence chaps - my illness is thankfully behind me and I'm now back in the garage...

However - on the same night I got sick, I had a little disaster!

Just as I'd sat down in front of the TV to lap in the cylinders to the heads, I stood up to reach for something and knocked the cylinder head off the table.....

I heard the thunk and just closed my eyes.

After about 10 seconds of silently screaming inside my head, I opened my eyes and looked down to firstly see this...


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Now, normally a good chunk out of my new wooden floor would wind me off the clock - but not this day. The damaged floor was a none event compared to what I found next...


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I really can't describe how that felt.

Maybe that was what caused me to be ill! :lol:

Seriously though, I was really 'miffed' to coin a phrase and pondered what to do.

Many and most folks just said to leave it, "it'll be fine" but this wasn't the point. I knew it was damaged and it was me that had done it.

Several visits to a few local welders and fabricators all yeilded the same response of "The piece is too small and thin, and with it being cast, it'll wind up a real mess....."

By the time I'd heard that the forth time, I was convinced that was that and I'd have to live with it.

....except that's just not me, and taking 'no' for an answer is one of the things I'm least good at in this world, so I kept on nagging anyone and everyone I could think of, until I struck gold!

One of my colleague's friends just happens to be a welder. A coded, certified welder for none other than Airbus, and spends his days welding wing spars!

If anyone was going to be able to do something with it, he was...

So, after a week long wait, I finally got it back looking like this!!!!!


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What can I say other than OMG!!! Totally over the moon - it's perfect!

He also agreed that the piece was too small to weld back on, so instead of backing out, took on the challenge and carefully welded row upon row of weld, over and over again until he'd built up a new fin, then sanded it back to what you see above.

Can't say how pleased and relieved I am to have it back as nature intended and so glad I didn't give up.

Skills - the man's got skills!

:D
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Rich Oakley
14 years ago
Unlucky with the head damage Andy. But that repair work is fantastic!
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Sunroof53
14 years ago

Sorry - can't make any shows this weekend - I'm working, like most weekends... :roll: Badly in need of a career change, but thats a long running saga not for this thread...

With the 3 original 0.3 shims in place, I'm at 0.2 - 0.21 depending on how hard I pull the flywheel, so yeah, if I ditched the paper gasket, I guess I'd be there...

But....


It doesn't seem the right thing to do to be honest. I don't know it's exact purpose but imagine it's there for a reason???

I might have tracked down someone with a few lying around in their shed and am just waiting to hear...

Last Triumph wrote:



Personally i would be happy at 0.2 ,as you are using the original bearings .I also believe that the paper seal was disscontinued on later engines as too many flywheels came loose.later engines had an o ring in the flywheel so the faces could be metal to metal for a more positive location.Maybe you could phone a volume engine builder for advice .Terrys beetle services build these engines so maybe worth a call to put your mind at rest or may even have a .35 shim .

Mike
Last Triumph
14 years ago

Unlucky with the head damage Andy. But that repair work is fantastic!

Rich Oakley wrote:



I was gutted buddy - gutted.

I mean, lets get it in perspective, it's not a big deal really, but to me I was really disappointed.

To have it back as good as new though is a real treat. Amazing skills!
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Last Triumph
14 years ago

Personally i would be happy at 0.2 ,as you are using the original bearings .I also believe that the paper seal was disscontinued on later engines as too many flywheels came loose.later engines had an o ring in the flywheel so the faces could be metal to metal for a more positive location.Maybe you could phone a volume engine builder for advice .Terrys beetle services build these engines so maybe worth a call to put your mind at rest or may even have a .25 shim .

Mike

Sunroof53 wrote:



I've got someone sending me their spare shims for me to route through - hopefull there'll be a combination in there that works.

Failing that, I'll give Peter E. a call as I've dealt with him before and I know he's good with early stuff...

As for the paper gasket... what is it's purpose? Does it provide a seal for anything?

Could it be replaced with a film of Curil K2 that will compress to zero??

Also, what is the general thoughts on gland nut torque? - I know that officially 217 ft/lbs is the magic number, but several books and articals talk of 250 - 300+ with loctite...

Opinions please?
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Dakota
14 years ago
Hi
I think you will find the crank shims are the same as dimentions as those used in Porsche 356 engines so you could try Roger Bray in EXETER 01404 822005 or Karmann Konnection or PRS services in Essex , Bill.
Last Triumph
14 years ago

Hi
I think you will find the crank shims are the same as dimentions as those used in Porsche 356 engines so you could try Roger Bray in EXETER 01404 822005 or Karmann Konnection or PRS services in Essex , Bill.

Dakota wrote:



That's good info, cheers.

KK definately don't sell them as I called yesterday.

Who are PRS?
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Dakota
14 years ago
Hi Me again,
the flywheel bolt should be pretty tight, later Porsche 356 motors went from pretty much the VW torque to 327foot pounds on exactly the same bolt the only difference being the Porsche engines were making progressively more power so may have started suffering from loose flywheels, the gasket does serve a purpose as you really can get oil leaks between the crank and flywheel although I don't see why a modern sealer used in moderation would not do the same job and have the effect of reucing the end float too, I would also suggest using the old flywheel bolt for float setting up and fit a new one when finally bolting the 'wheel in place and I would suggest not getting the end float right on the minimum setting as you could end up with the thing locking up on the main under certain circumstances, years ago I rebuilt a friends camper engine and was very pleased with myself for getting the float spot on the bottom end of the tolerance, it ran perfectly for seven thousand miles until one morning he sat at a junction with the clutch depressed for longer than normal and it kind of stalled then would not turn, this was the crank and flywheel biting up on the crank, when the clutch is depressed the flywheel is pushed up against the front main, I think a little too much heat with not quite enough room and that was that, mercifully the damage was minor and the engine went again with a bit of therapy.
Dakota
14 years ago
I have some spare shims I will see what I have kicking about.
Last Triumph
14 years ago

I have some spare shims I will see what I have kicking about.

Dakota wrote:



Mega - super stuff, thanks a whole bunch! :beer:

In an ideal world, I reckon I need 3 x .34, or maybe 2x .34 and 1 x .36.....

I'll shoot for about 0.1 end float and steer clear of the 0.07 lower limit.

As for the gland nut, I'll tighten to 250 - 275lbs with a decent slug of loctite, what do you reckon?


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Sunroof53
14 years ago

I've got someone sending me their spare shims for me to route through - hopefull there'll be a combination in there that works.

Failing that, I'll give Peter E. a call as I've dealt with him before and I know he's good with early stuff...

As for the paper gasket... what is it's purpose? Does it provide a seal for anything?



Opinions please?

Last Triumph wrote:



It is described as a gasket in the VW manuals so it does provide sealing as later flywheels had an O ring instead that fitted in the counterbore of the flywheel.The VW manual tells you to measure the depth of the counterbore and the distance from the crank to bearing face to calculate end float.It says that the gasket is 0.2mm and compresses to 0.15 but my experience is 0.1 using an aftermarket seal kit.I think the reason for measuring is so you dont compress the new gasket when you are trial fitting otherwise you need a new one for the final fit.
Another thing i found is that if you only half torque the bolt for trial fitting the gasket can crush some more when you go to the VW figure of 217 lbs which can cause a problem if you are on the low side of the limit.
Last Triumph
14 years ago

It is described as a gasket in the VW manuals so it does provide sealing as later flywheels had an O ring instead that fitted in the counterbore of the flywheel.The VW manual tells you to measure the depth of the counterbore and the distance from the crank to bearing face to calculate end float.It says that the gasket is 0.2mm and compresses to 0.15 but my experience is 0.1 using an aftermarket seal kit.I think the reason for measuring is so you dont compress the new gasket when you are trial fitting otherwise you need a new one for the final fit.
Another thing i found is that if you only half torque the bolt for trial fitting the gasket can crush some more when you go to the VW figure of 217 lbs which can cause a problem if you are on the low side of the limit.

Sunroof53 wrote:



Already crushed it! :lol:

I can't imagine it'll be a problem though. I'll install it with a film of K2 just to be sure though...
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