tman
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14 years ago
I dislike those reg. numbers because they are all so generic and similar. To me, the reg. number is a part of the car's individuality/identity and because these "age related" numbers are so samey they just don't stand out to me. Put another way, I know a number of classic cars by their number plates but absolutely none of them are these XUB, XUA ones! :)

Nobody is going to frown on you for having a DVLA import plate and for my part this isn't about trying to pass off an import as a UK car. Yours is a special car and I'd love to see it wearing a 'proper' age related plate! 😃 ;)

Having said that, 'proper' age related plates, ones without any special meaning that I can see, seem to be on offer for £1k upwards right now!:shock:
Andrew
195x Deluxe oval Beetle
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Last Triumph
14 years ago

I dislike those reg. numbers because they are all so generic and similar. To me, the reg. number is a part of the car's individuality/identity and because these "age related" numbers are so samey they just don't stand out to me. Put another way, I know a number of classic cars by their number plates but absolutely none of them are these XUB, XUA ones! :)

Nobody is going to frown on you for having a DVLA import plate and for my part this isn't about trying to pass off an import as a UK car. Yours is a special car and I'd love to see it wearing a 'proper' age related plate! 😃 ;)

Having said that, 'proper' age related plates, ones without any special meaning that I can see, seem to be on offer for £1k upwards right now!:shock:

tman wrote:



I'll ask for a plate without a 'X' in it and let you know how I get on.... anyone taking bets? :lol:
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harveypj
14 years ago
My 58 still wears its original 'ACE' plates complete with solid cast ally triangular (toblerone) letters. I'm guessing not much would have changed from 57.
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Last Triumph
14 years ago

My 58 still wears its original 'ACE' plates complete with solid cast ally triangular (toblerone) letters. I'm guessing not much would have changed from 57.

harveypj wrote:



Would a long rectangular standard shaped plate have enough bend in it to wrap around the deck lid like below...

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GKL 7
14 years ago
Those alloy plates bend very nicely LT.You can practice your coachbuilding skills:wink:
Last Triumph
14 years ago

Those alloy plates bend very nicely LT.You can practice your coachbuilding skills:wink:

'50 Karmann wrote:



Good stuff - I read somewhere that they're about £130 ish?? Seem expensive, but I guess that's because there's a lot more to them than just a flat pressed plate?

I reckon that they're the ones to go for then...

On a slightly different tack - I was looking at an old picture of the car taken in Portugal when it was being collected and noticed it had mud flaps fitted, well, one of them was clinging on for dear life anyway!

Which got me thinking.... if it had accessory mud flaps fitted when it was in service, then shouldn't I be putting some back on?

What's the opinion about a set of mud flaps guys? There's always a set or two on thesamba for sale, but if so, what type - VW logo or chevron? The picture doesn't show what type were on it as whatever symbol was riveted on had long since fallen off??


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Rich Oakley
14 years ago
I personally wouldn't put any mudflaps on it.

Trawl ebay and you will find a half-decent 'proper' age related plate for £500-ish.
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14 years ago

I personally wouldn't put any mudflaps on it.

Trawl ebay and you will find a half-decent 'proper' age related plate for £500-ish.

Rich Oakley wrote:



Fair enough - any reason?

I need to understand what a half decent 'proper' age related plate is though Rich?

I really need someone to educate me on this because all I know so far is that I'm likely to get a number with a 'X' in it which is in some way wrong? Why?

What makes one 'correct'? Letters first, numbers first?

????

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14 years ago
Mrs LT's got the flu and is out for the count so getting 5 minutes away from looking after the kids has rendered progress slow. A visit from relatives allowed a quick detour to the garage to investigate an issue regarding my keys...

I'm lead to believe that Ovals came with SG profile keys with a one key fits all set up.

I've got a SG key and it fits both the drivers door and also the locking deck lid handle as my car has option M 094. My ignition key is spurious and led me to suspect that my ignition barrel had at some point in the past failed and been replaced.


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First up I removed the long past serviceable wiring cover....


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Anyone know where I might find a replacement made from the correct cardboard - not the modern or later repro plastic ABS ones?

Anyway, it took about 3 seconds to confirm my suspicions...


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At least they did a respectable job of the wiring...


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I'll source a NOS barrel and get it set to the code of the original SG key to put things back the way they should be and re-do the wiring as factory as possible.


Here's another quandary you might all be able to help me with...

The engine bay seal is split and perished in places...


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Does anyone have any experience of the after market offerings in terms of correct fit and quality?

If they're the usual typical junk that so much of the after market produce is, then I'm tempted to individually superglue each and every split and crack back together and keep the original.

If they are a good quality reproduction made from quality rubber, I'll replace it.

Any thoughts?
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GKL 7
14 years ago
I can't remember where i obtained my engine bay seal,i know useless.
But it was of a very good quality and fitted beautifully.Have a word with Jules from KK,i know when i needed a cabrio windshield rubber he sourced one from Germany.There are different qualities available,some pukka stuff is out there,you'll just pay a little more.

Rich must have a reason for saying don't fit mudflaps,be interesting to hear his opinion.I have heard arguments for and against.

If you drive a car that is obviously an import,LHD,is the number you are allocated really a problem.Don't think you have any objection to people knowing where the car has come from.I could understand it if it was a UK sold car but:? Go and have a word with the fella at Norey house in Chester,i tried to pursuade him to let me choose a number but he wasn't having any of that:roll:

Agreed,you need a single key.
harveypj
14 years ago
I got my engine seal from Barclay at 'StatusVW'. its spot on :d


I managed to repair my wiring cover, it was not in 2 pieces but was 2/3 of the way there.
I epoxied a square of hardboard (type used in picture framing) behind to secure the 2 halves together, then when set, using a chisel delaminated the hardboard to leave only a thin sheet (about 1/3 of original thickness)behind.
On the front you can sand excess glue and any remaining gaps I found a balsa filler which is very fine filled even the most hairline gaps.
A high build primer followed by a blow in with an acrylic aerosole gave a very solid and presentable repair.
I whent to a local auto paint supplier and picked the best match to the old grey/blue paint, Which I found to be a satin medium graphite.
Looking at yours You could also try grafting in some bits on the lower edge where damaged.
It will not be perfect but may be worth a go until you find a good replacement.

I'll try and get some pictures taken of my efforts.

Pete
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Robb
14 years ago

I got my engine seal from Barclay at 'StatusVW'. its spot on :d

harveypj wrote:



i did also, just replied on your vzi thread
54 Gertie
14 years ago
I think I got a seal from Heritage, fitted perfectly and matched the original one very well in profile/rubber. Only difference I could find was there was a difference in the lines in the rubber on the back, where you'll never see.


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mrsherbie
14 years ago
I am with tman & Rich, buying a plate is essential, I cant cope with X plates either.
I think it is a small extra investment, that makes a world of difference to the car. And there are always plenty around.
Although you would think that with XU, they must be coming to the end soon?

re. mudflaps, like us with swedish cars which usually had mudflaps, I agree it is nice to keep them on, only as it gives the car a bit more original country identity.

However, I would only refit if I could find good used, or nos correct type to those originally most likely fitted,
(on splits it is worth repairing originals even if split)

But personally I would not buy/fit modern repro's as I dont see any point. Mudflaps are hardly a pretty add-on, but at least there is charm to originals which have survived for 50yrs.

(also if you touch your headliner I will come round and smack your fingers with my metal ruler!:lol: )



"it'll wreck the patina you haven't worked so hard to create" - 50Karmann
Last Triumph
14 years ago

I am with tman & Rich, buying a plate is essential, I cant cope with X plates either.
I think it is a small extra investment, that makes a world of difference to the car. And there are always plenty around.
Although you would think that with XU, they must be coming to the end soon?

re. mudflaps, like us with swedish cars which usually had mudflaps, I agree it is nice to keep them on, only as it gives the car a bit more original country identity.

However, I would only refit if I could find good used, or nos correct type to those originally most likely fitted,
(on splits it is worth repairing originals even if split)

But personally I would not buy/fit modern repro's as I dont see any point. Mudflaps are hardly a pretty add-on, but at least there is charm to originals which have survived for 50yrs.

(also if you touch your headliner I will come round and smack your fingers with my metal ruler!:lol: )


mrsherbie wrote:




Thanks for your comments.

There's always plenty of NOS sets up on the Samba, so getting some originals won;t be an issue. Mr O says 'no' and I'm waiting for his reasons out of curiosity.

Your welcome to come round and smack my fingers with your metal ruler, as long as you smack the inside of the roof first to sort out the dings....

I'm still waiting for an explanation about the age related plate issue.

I don't understand why it's an issue - it's a number? The car is imported and proudly so....

Should I feel embarrassed that I don't 'get' it?

I also don't understand what is a correct number and what isn't. Should the letters go first, or the numbers, or doesn't it matter? What's the difference? Why is X and U an issue?

People are saying to get a correct number, but nobody seems able to explain what makes a number correct or incorrect?

Seriously, can someone educate me so I know what's what?

Also, whilst I'd love to have a 1 key fits all scenario, I'm getting conflicting information about whether a SG profile ignition barrel can be split and re-set to match a key with replacement wafers etc?

Anyone?
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Mike Peckham
14 years ago



I don't understand why it's an issue - it's a number? The car is imported and proudly so....

Last Triumph wrote:



My '57 is a UK car originally registered in Essex. it kept it's original number plate for the first 46 years of its life but it was then transferred to a van and the car was issued with an "age related" plate. Now when ever anyone sees it they ask if the car is a Swedish import.

I haven't got anything against VWs imported form Sweden, or any other country come to that and I would be proud to own one - especially one like yours! But as mine is a UK car, it irks me that it appears to have been imported and I am keen to get the original plate back on it.

The enjoyment of owning an old VW is as much about the provenance and history of the car as it is about the car itself, the number plate is an indicator to others of where that history might have begun.

Mike 😎

July 1957 UK supplied RHD Oval. 1972 World Champion Beetle. 1978 UK supplied RHD 1303LS Cabriolet. 1973 UK supplied RHD 1303s.
Last Triumph
14 years ago

My '57 is a UK car originally registered in Essex. it kept it's original number plate for the first 46 years of its life but it was then transferred to a van and the car was issued with an "age related" plate. Now when ever anyone sees it they ask if the car is a Swedish import.

I haven't got anything against VWs imported form Sweden, or any other country come to that and I would be proud to own one - especially one like yours! But as mine is a UK car, it irks me that it appears to have been imported and I am keen to get the original plate back on it.

The enjoyment of owning an old VW is as much about the provenance and history of the car as it is about the car itself, the number plate is an indicator to others of where that history might have begun.

Mike 😎

Mike Peckham wrote:



That I understand.

But mine's from Portugal, so why would I try and hide that?
That's what I don't understand?
I'm delighted to have a rare Portuguese car - I love that interesting part of the story.

And back to my original question - how do they know it's an 'age related' plate and the other questions regarding numbers or letter first etc?

I'd just love to know.

Good news - just scored a NOS SG profile screw terminal ignition switch with two huff keys!

Bad news, just found out the ignition barrel I thought I'd bought is no longer available... 😞
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55Kab
14 years ago

But mine's from Portugal, so why would I try and hide that?
That's what I don't understand?

Last Triumph wrote:



Just have the Portuguese plates remade then and put a metallic one on the front and rear bumpers when you drive it :!: :lol:

And back to my original question - how do they know it's an 'age related' plate and the other questions regarding numbers or letter first etc?

Last Triumph wrote:



Because most petrolheads can spot DVLA "age related" plates a mile off due to the sequence of letters used...XUF, XUX examples and just don't like them.

Now as you say, that doesn't really matter as you're proud of the car's heritage and its story, it's just I think we feel the car deserves a better "look" than just another DVLA sequenced number. Rich's 47 is a classic example. Registered as 813 UXU is now wears 43 TEV and looks a whole world better for it.

As to letter or numbers first, the following will make interesting reading! :beer:

A1 - YY9999 : 1903 - 1930's
Each council was issued with one or more letter codes for registering vehicles. Originally both one and two letter codes were issued as of 1903. This original system, using the one or two letter area code and one to four numbers (e.g. AA1 - AA9999) soon ran out and by the 1930's a change was needed.

AAA1 - YYY999 : 1930's - 1960's
It was decided an extra serial letter was to be introduced prefixing the original area code. This could only be used with two letter area codes, as prefixing a one letter area code would duplicate a two letter code, so the single letter area codes became obsolete. Serial letters were first introduced around 1932 as necessary. In order for the size of the plates to remain the same, a maximum of only three numbers (e.g. AAA234, GRF823) was used with this system. This serial letter ran in rotation with the numbers, so in the example ADE998, the "DE" is the area code (in this instance, Pembrokeshire County Council), and the A--998 runs in sequence. The next number in the Pembrokshire series would be ADE999, followed by BDE1 (note that no zeroes prefix the number 1).

1AAA - 999YYY : 1950's - 1960's
In the 1950's the system was reversed by councils who had run out of combinations in the previous series, now with the numbers prefixing the letters (e.g. 237RYU). A small number of councils ran out of these numbers by the late 1950's / early 1960's and as a temporary measure, four number / one or two letter area code registrations were issued (e.g. 2345AA). These did not have a serial letter, the one or two letters being the area codes as originally issued in the reversed format. Only the single letter area codes D,E,F,H,K,N,R,U and W were issued in this reversed format (e.g. 1042D) between 1953 and 1962. This was the last time the single letter area codes were used. Not all of these numbers were issued, making this type of number rarer than the ABC123 type.





Last Triumph
14 years ago

Just have the Portuguese plates remade then and put a metallic one on the front and rear bumpers when you drive it :!: :lol:



Because most petrolheads can spot DVLA "age related" plates a mile off due to the sequence of letters used...XUF, XUX examples and just don't like them.

Now as you say, that doesn't really matter as you're proud of the car's heritage and its story, it's just I think we feel the car deserves a better "look" than just another DVLA sequenced number. Rich's 47 is a classic example. Registered as 813 UXU is now wears 43 TEV and looks a whole world better for it.

As to letter or numbers first, the following will make interesting reading! :beer:

A1 - YY9999 : 1903 - 1930's
Each council was issued with one or more letter codes for registering vehicles. Originally both one and two letter codes were issued as of 1903. This original system, using the one or two letter area code and one to four numbers (e.g. AA1 - AA9999) soon ran out and by the 1930's a change was needed.

AAA1 - YYY999 : 1930's - 1960's
It was decided an extra serial letter was to be introduced prefixing the original area code. This could only be used with two letter area codes, as prefixing a one letter area code would duplicate a two letter code, so the single letter area codes became obsolete. Serial letters were first introduced around 1932 as necessary. In order for the size of the plates to remain the same, a maximum of only three numbers (e.g. AAA234, GRF823) was used with this system. This serial letter ran in rotation with the numbers, so in the example ADE998, the "DE" is the area code (in this instance, Pembrokeshire County Council), and the A--998 runs in sequence. The next number in the Pembrokshire series would be ADE999, followed by BDE1 (note that no zeroes prefix the number 1).

1AAA - 999YYY : 1950's - 1960's
In the 1950's the system was reversed by councils who had run out of combinations in the previous series, now with the numbers prefixing the letters (e.g. 237RYU). A small number of councils ran out of these numbers by the late 1950's / early 1960's and as a temporary measure, four number / one or two letter area code registrations were issued (e.g. 2345AA). These did not have a serial letter, the one or two letters being the area codes as originally issued in the reversed format. Only the single letter area codes D,E,F,H,K,N,R,U and W were issued in this reversed format (e.g. 1042D) between 1953 and 1962. This was the last time the single letter area codes were used. Not all of these numbers were issued, making this type of number rarer than the ABC123 type.





55Kab wrote:




Thank you - all makes sense now.

Couple of points from my perspective then... Firstly, either a letters or numbers first plate would be fine. Secondly, as mine is an import and I'm not trying to hide that fact, it would in some ways be almost less genuine to have 'correct' plate, as the car would never have had one... just the way I see it.

As a side issue - my father used to own the oldest ever Austin Mini registered in the UK, registered on August 1st 1959 - the Earls Court motor show car, registered from new on WUX737.... which suggests it's an import??? Which it wasn't.
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55Kab
14 years ago

Thank you - all makes sense now.

Couple of points from my perspective then... Firstly, either a letters or numbers first plate would be fine. Secondly, as mine is an import and I'm not trying to hide that fact, it would in some ways be almost less genuine to have 'correct' plate, as the car would never have had one... just the way I see it.

As a side issue - my father used to own the oldest ever Austin Mini registered in the UK, registered on August 1st 1959 - the Earls Court motor show car, registered from new on WUX737.... which suggests it's an import??? Which it wasn't.

Last Triumph wrote:



Yep, either a letters or numbers first is fine.

Interesting anecdote on the Mini. WUX doesn't suggest an import as the DVLA haven't issued any in that letter range. They're however not far away from it as they're issuing XUX at the moment and I don't think you can choose what you're issued as I recall reading here or on Vzi the Polar Oval TTB 9 was given 299 XUX even though another plate was requested letters first.