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rudolf hucker
14 years ago
Please Mr 50 Karmann, it is true that Mr RT can really do as he please with his own Beetles. I f he choose to let them rusty he can I think. Not nice but true.
I follow things that have been said for a time now and remember when Mr Leveys car was for selling. I think it would be much better if another had been buying it. A person who just wants to drive and enjoy there old car and not try to make themselves appear famous. Are you very lonely Mr RT?
Not many others feel the need to put all those things at the bottom of there posts, Like legendary car. It is such a shame.
Of course if you want to put yourself on a pedastel someone will want to shoot you down.................just ask 55Kab.

lifeintheslowlane
14 years ago

It was me – I got it locked.:oops:

Rattletrap wrote:



You might have pushed it over the edge John but the "Malted Milk Kid" started it off by seemingly placing a piece of tin above regard for human beings. I told him to get a sense of proportion but it was an alien concept to him.:roll:
John.
Rattletrap
14 years ago

....'an original and unmolested' car like the supposed '47.

A simple way to sort all this out would be to post a pic of the '47. For some reason I seem to have seen loads of pics of the Splitcaster but not one of what would be a far more interesting car - an original and unmolested 1947 Beetle.

Caledfryn wrote:


George ('50 Karmann), has seen my 1947 saloon – he was at that auction 13 years ago, same as I was. Like myself, he had a good look over the car prior to the sale. I do not remember if he made a bid or not, but obviously he didn't buy it. He therefore, as a fellow knowledgeable person of early VWs, has his considered opinion of the car. Like most old cars presented in a dirty, non-running state, people are often deterred from getting involved.

I myself found the car very, very interesting and was determined to buy it, whatever. The general structure of it was all original metal, rather something for a 1940's Beetle. The interior I found fascinating along with the 3-ribbed inner rear window panel. The car had been 'tarted up' for display in a private museum – it'd had a repaint and re-chromed bumpers. The car has never been welded underneath – all original channels (again very unusual), but some first-time welding would be needed to put back on the road. I had the car running briefly, and can only say it was a real treat to drive, making an oval window Beetle seem a modern car – it felt so vintage.

The car has the plus of a very long UK history, from the '50s I believe. It was left in a breaker's yard in the 1960's but saved from there at the cost of around £25 by an old car enthusiast who had his own museum. Apart from needing some welding, it is just the sort of early Beetle I really like, and I've no plans to 'restore' it – it looks very old, as I feel it should.:wink:
Rattletrap – the Volkswagen Beetle that has covered an incredible mileage equivalent to over 35 times around the planet :omg:
Running nifty since 1950… the King of Volkswagens:beer: Why not make friends with this famous little VW – he's on facebook! :d
http://forums.pre67vw.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=16378 
55Kab
14 years ago

Of course if you want to put yourself on a pedastel someone will want to shoot you down.................just ask 55Kab

rudolf hucker wrote:



Yep, I learnt a valuable lesson over on the other site which is to keep what I'm doing to myself. :smile:

Si Med
14 years ago
shame really was an awesome build
54 UK rhd
lifeintheslowlane
14 years ago

shame really was an awesome build

Si Med wrote:



Waddidimiss...link please.:d
John.
Si Med
14 years ago
No Link John, long gone now.
54 UK rhd
Rattletrap
14 years ago

Please Mr 50 Karmann, it is true that Mr RT can really do as he please with his own Beetles. If he choose to let them rusty he can I think. Not nice but true.

rudolf hucker wrote:


Cheers, then no cheers Rudy.:shock:

I follow things that have been said for a time now and remember when Mr Leveys car was for selling. I think it would be much better if another had been buying it.

rudolf hucker wrote:


That's a little harsh, Rudy. If you'd read the Rattletrap thread, you would see how much Rattletrap means to me… right back to 1977, as a youth he inspired my interest in split-windows, Rattletrap was the first split I ever saw and by chance too in central London at the Queen's Silver Jubilee celebrations.

A person who just wants to drive and enjoy there old car and not try to make themselves appear famous. Are you very lonely Mr RT?

rudolf hucker wrote:


I'm never going to be famous, and don't wish to, but back in the late 70s-90s Rattletrap was.

'Lonely'……I think a 'certain person' here would say 'A Sad Bast*rd'.:unsure:

You might have pushed it over the edge John but the "Malted Milk Kid" started it off by seemingly placing a piece of tin above regard for human beings. I told him to get a sense of proportion but it was an alien concept to him.:roll:

lifeintheslowlane wrote:


Again that 'certain person' here is certain that I am the "Malted Milk Kid", to the point of posting the 1930's '3 Ovaltinies' poster (below), that's Standard Split, Ovaltine and Rattletrap, I assume. Of the 3 the boy is Rattletrap I guess.:rofl:


…Then theres the age old discussion about what year Rattletrap is … And one of the most famous Beetles in the world? I have to admit that I'd never heard of it since it popped up on this forum - vaguely remember seeing it in the Classic Volkswagens books, but it certainly didn't stand out as anything special …

pre67vw wrote:


An interesting insight into you there Rob. I take it you were at school, asleep or whatever during the 20 years of late 1970s thru to late 1990s. Many of the guys on VZone and the USA Samba seemed to know of the car. I went to loads of VW meets back then, and you couldn't escape Rattletrap. Even putting on the telly and there he was, then there's the newspapers, magazines and books…:roll:
Scoff and mock all you will – the car's a gem that with Tony's help did so much for the early years of the vintage VW scene, more than pre67vw.com can hope to achieve today.  3 Ovaltinies.jpg You have insufficient rights to see the content.
Rattletrap – the Volkswagen Beetle that has covered an incredible mileage equivalent to over 35 times around the planet :omg:
Running nifty since 1950… the King of Volkswagens:beer: Why not make friends with this famous little VW – he's on facebook! :d
http://forums.pre67vw.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=16378 
lifeintheslowlane
14 years ago
Most here know you're not "The Malted Milk Kid". I'm sure the poster was a wind-up...looking at it again, I know it was.

I'm unashamedly with Rob...never heard of RT until you posted the topic here. Most of the people in the hobby's scope of interest isn't all encompassing. I do remember the topic on The Samba and talk of a split that got wrecked and rebuilt but that's as far as it goes.
John.
Si Med
14 years ago

Tony's help did so much for the early years of the vintage VW scene, more than pre67vw.com can hope to achieve today.

Rattletrap wrote:



A step to far i think.
54 UK rhd
Rattletrap
14 years ago

A step to far i think.

Si Med wrote:


Nope, I'll stand firmly by that, Si.

Anyone on the scene circa 1979-80 would understand that. Tony even got the car shown on BBC TV and ITV– weekday early evening too – a real feat as there were only two other channels back then (BBC2 and Channel 4) and no web, cable etc, so Rattletrap got a huge audience bringing awareness of the vintage VW scene to a few million.:thumbup:
Rattletrap – the Volkswagen Beetle that has covered an incredible mileage equivalent to over 35 times around the planet :omg:
Running nifty since 1950… the King of Volkswagens:beer: Why not make friends with this famous little VW – he's on facebook! :d
http://forums.pre67vw.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=16378 
lifeintheslowlane
14 years ago

Nope, I'll stand firmly by that, Si.

Anyone on the scene circa 1979-80 would understand that. Tony even got the car shown on BBC TV and ITV– weekday early evening too – a real feat as there were only two other channels back then (BBC2 and Channel 4) and no web, cable etc, so Rattletrap got a huge audience bringing awareness of the vintage VW scene to a few million.:thumbup:

Rattletrap wrote:



Now I know you're on the wrong track...it's not about personal recognition or for recognition for aircooled VWs. It's about the individual enjoying his hobby whether they're the only one or one of millions.

The fact that aircooled VWs appeal to a whole range of people is incidental...it's not a holy crusade to educate the heretic...I wouldn't give a stuff if I was the only one one earth who liked aircooled VWs.

Pre67VW and The Samba and all the other online forums exist because there are people who like to share what little or a lot they know about them, without expecting anything in return.

Forget your crusade...you're just like everyone else, an anonymous ant in an infinite universe...get used to it.:smile:
John.
pre67vw
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14 years ago


An interesting insight into you there Rob. I take it you were at school, asleep or whatever during the 20 years of late 1970s thru to late 1990s. Many of the guys on VZone and the USA Samba seemed to know of the car. I went to loads of VW meets back then, and you couldn't escape Rattletrap.

Rattletrap wrote:



I probably walked past it a few times and didn't give it a second look. I was more interested in the cal-lookers at that time - those guys were really friendly. I kinda miss it now.


Scoff and mock all you will

Rattletrap wrote:



OK, thanks! Will do...


with Tony's help did so much for the early years of the vintage VW scene, more than pre67vw.com can hope to achieve today.

Rattletrap wrote:



:rofl: You're obviously trying to provoke me with this comment, but I don't think I can be bothered to bite. Nobody is begging you to stay, feel free to take a well earned break from all your own hard work...
Rob Amos
Happiness is a stock VW
pre67vw
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14 years ago

Now I know you're on the wrong track...it's not about personal recognition or for recognition for aircooled VWs. It's about the individual enjoying his hobby whether they're the only one or one of millions.

lifeintheslowlane wrote:



Exactly :thumbup:
Rob Amos
Happiness is a stock VW
55Kab
14 years ago

the car's a gem that with Tony's help did so much for the early years of the vintage VW scene, more than pre67vw.com can hope to achieve today.

Rattletrap wrote:



I know you love this car to bits John but from my perspective I don't think that's right. I came to the "scene" in 1985 and at that time (pre VW Motoring articles) Rattletrap was an old VW that you'd see at shows with an interesting history, nothing more, nothing less.

At that time, and I have to say I wasn't a member of the Historic VW Owner's Club GB so had no other exposure to the vintage scene then, the only coverage vintage VW's got was Harvey Simpson's interesting and often amusing column in VW Motoring - in which early vintage VW fan Rod Sleigh was talked of.

Then of course came Bob Shaill with the excellent and much missed International Vintage VW magazine.

I would say that from my perspective the 3 gentlemen mentioned above did more for the vintage VW scene in the UK at the time (pre VolksWorld/the net) than anyone/anything else.

JD
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14 years ago

I know you love this car to bits John but from my perspective I don't think that's right.

55Kab wrote:



I agree. To me, Tony Levy always seemed more intent on trumpeting his own achievments than promoting the "scene". The car seemed more a means to an end.
"John, you need to get a grip and STOP MOANING AT EVERYTHING. ThumbDown "
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Rattletrap
14 years ago


:rofl: You're obviously trying to provoke me with this comment, but I don't think I can be bothered to bite. Nobody is begging you to stay, feel free to take a well earned break from all your own hard work...

pre67vw wrote:


Not at all Rob. The media world and vintage VW world are totally different today. pre67vw is one of many internet sites. The scene is long-established now and its all mult-multi media, not just a few TV channels, of which to gain prime time exposure on was a huge achievement. I take my hat off to Tony for managing it.

The VW scene was little known back in the 1970's, and 40's-50's Beetles were worth a few hundred pounds or crushed anyway.:shock:
Rattletrap – the Volkswagen Beetle that has covered an incredible mileage equivalent to over 35 times around the planet :omg:
Running nifty since 1950… the King of Volkswagens:beer: Why not make friends with this famous little VW – he's on facebook! :d
http://forums.pre67vw.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=16378 
GKL 7
14 years ago
John if you have new exciting evidence on RT.
You would have put it up and put it up anywhere,you wouldn't be patiently waiting for your thread to be reopened.

Like Martin said, it was never all you say it is,it was a Split with an interesting history.Tho' many choose to disbelieve it at least it often put a smile on their faces.Why all the hype.You satisfied your dream.It was never ours,your brain washing us with it.


And your go at Rob[-x
Caledfryn
14 years ago

Nope, I'll stand firmly by that, Si.

Splitcastor got a huge audience bringing awareness of the vintage VW scene to a few million.:thumbup:

Rattletrap wrote:




I really do hope you've got your tongue planted firmly in your cheek. Either that or you're seriously deluded!! lol

From what you said about the '47 I'd be far more interested in hearing about(and seeing) that car than Rattletrap, which, with the greatest of respect to you and your car, is a 'bitsa' and no different to a restoration.

From what I've heard about Tony Levy (and I'm another one for whom the 'legend' of Rattletrap has passed by)was an amiable eccentric who was convinced that his Split window Beetle was something special.

Glad to see the car is now in safe hands! :wink: :rofl:
Rattletrap
14 years ago


At that time, and I have to say I wasn't a member of the Historic VW Owner's Club GB so had no other exposure to the vintage scene then, the only coverage vintage VW's got was Harvey Simpson's interesting and often amusing column in VW Motoring - in which early vintage VW fan Rod Sleigh was talked of.

Then of course came Bob Shaill with the excellent and much missed International Vintage VW magazine.

I would say that from my perspective the 3 gentlemen mentioned above did more for the vintage VW scene in the UK at the time (pre VolksWorld/the net) than anyone/anything else.

55Kab wrote:



You mentioned Harvey Simpson, Martin. He and I are still very close friends today, a friendship going way, way back. It was he who found my '49 in the early 1980's describing it as '50 Karmann did too after seeing it as 'the finest most original split I have seen'.

Harvey was the person that I'd mentioned that showed me how to preserve an old and original car with 'the very odd methods' that George mentioned below. Harvey like me loves originality of paint where possible and is no fan of freshly painted shiny cars either. I'm a 'weird sort of crank' according to George – Harvey's the 'other human being' that George asks about, he was my tutor, a highly regarded and very knowledgeable vintage VW collector who has passed to me so much knowledge.

Remember, if you insult someone for their approach to the hobby, there's a good chance you're insulting others too.:wink:

The quote of me I'll remember for a very, very long-time: 😶

You are some weird sort of crank with very odd opinions.I defy you to find another living human being that will agree with your methods of treating vintage cars.

'50Karmann wrote:

Rattletrap – the Volkswagen Beetle that has covered an incredible mileage equivalent to over 35 times around the planet :omg:
Running nifty since 1950… the King of Volkswagens:beer: Why not make friends with this famous little VW – he's on facebook! :d
http://forums.pre67vw.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=16378 
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