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Last Triumph
pre67vw Junkie Topic Starter

14 years ago

Good work as usual .I personally drill the guides with an 8.5 drill 3/4 of the way down to collapse the sides (using a pillar drill) and then use a drift to push them out .I always clean the hole with a reamer just to remove any debris .I found that the holes for the guides vary in size and are sometimes out of round probably due to heat or the tight interferance fit of the guides .I have also found that aftermarket guides measure around 10.04- 10.06 but the originals are around 10.1mm .Doesnt sound a lot but it makes a huge differance when there in.All i am saying is its worth checking before you fit and some rebuilders make there own guides for this reason.

Mike.

Sunroof53 wrote:

I'd have drilled them, but I don't have a pillar dril and didn't want to risk braking through the walls with a normal hand neld electric drill.

I haven't measured the new guides yet but will do. I've got them now, so one way or another, I'll get them in.

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Ovalbug
pre67vw Junkie

14 years ago

#282

It's all the fiddly stuff that you dont think about that adds up. I got a genuine blue VW rear main seal which is a nice item....

Last Triumph wrote:

This is one of my favourite threads on the 'net at the moment :d .
Its teaching me heaps, hopefully I'll be doing the same things in a few months as I've got to resurrect the 25 bhp engine in my '53.
Can I ask who supplied the crank oil seal?
I need to source one or two and have seen them listed on the Status website and with VW Heritage, but they seem to be on back-order at the moment.....

Thanks.

:wink:

'63 Karmann Ghia RHD
'72 1302LS Karmann Cabrio RHD

cupa65
pre67vw Junkie

14 years ago

#283

Hi

Wolfsburg West are doing a high spec silicone seal. I used one in my 65 and it fitted well.

Cheers

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Last Triumph
pre67vw Junkie Topic Starter

14 years ago

#284

This is one of my favourite threads on the 'net at the moment :d .
Its teaching me heaps, hopefully I'll be doing the same things in a few months as I've got to resurrect the 25 bhp engine in my '53.
Can I ask who supplied the crank oil seal?
I need to source one or two and have seen them listed on the Status website and with VW Heritage, but they seem to be on back-order at the moment.....

Thanks.

:wink:

Ovalbug wrote:

That's really kind, thanks - comments like that spur me on to write and photograph more!

I spoke to a number of engine builders and got many different opinions about the rear oil seal with one common denomoninator that if I could find a genuine VW one, i should use it, so I did. That's not to say viton or silicone seals aren;t just as good or better - like I say, everyone has their own opinions and experiences, but nobody had a bad word to say about an original seal.

Status have them in stock at the moment, turned up last week. Nice item with the correct VW stamp, part number, colour matches the original blue too!

Just removed the guides from the other head using the same method as before and again, without a hitch.

For the record - the original guides measure between 10.04 - 10.06. The new ones measure 10.06 - 10.07 so there shouldn't be too much swearing getting them in.

There's always Cilit bang....

I can supply...
25/36hp Crank-Flywheel shims - 3 sizes
NOS king pin thrust & fibre washers - all sizes
Cloth braided nitrile fuel hose safe for modern fuels
PM me for details...

Ovalbug
pre67vw Junkie

14 years ago

#285

That's really kind, thanks - comments like that spur me on to write and photograph more!

I spoke to a number of engine builders and got many different opinions about the rear oil seal with one common denomoninator that if I could find a genuine VW one, i should use it, so I did. That's not to say viton or silicone seals aren;t just as good or better - like I say, everyone has their own opinions and experiences, but nobody had a bad word to say about an original seal.

Status have them in stock at the moment, turned up last week. Nice item with the correct VW stamp, part number, colour matches the original blue too!

Just removed the guides from the other head using the same method as before and again, without a hitch.

For the record - the original guides measure between 10.04 - 10.06. The new ones measure 10.06 - 10.07 so there shouldn't be too much swearing getting them in.

There's always Cilit bang....

Last Triumph wrote:

Thanks LT, will try Status if they are Genuine :beer: .

:wink:

'63 Karmann Ghia RHD
'72 1302LS Karmann Cabrio RHD

Ovalbug
pre67vw Junkie

14 years ago

#286

Hi

Wolfsburg West are doing a high spec silicone seal. I used one in my 65 and it fitted well.

Cheers

cupa65 wrote:

Thanks for the info, if I can get Genuine that will do me fine, the only trouble is getting hold of WW parts in the UK as delivery charges from the US appear to have become horrendous of late.......

:wink:

'63 Karmann Ghia RHD
'72 1302LS Karmann Cabrio RHD

tman
pre67vw Junkie

14 years ago

#287

KK sell a number of WW items, perhaps you could order through them?

Andrew
195x Deluxe oval Beetle
Binz Doublecab

Jules
pre67vw Junkie

14 years ago

#288

KK sell a number of WW items, perhaps you could order through them?

tman wrote:

Thanks Andrew... Yes, we have the early seal, pretty sure they are in stock! OE German, never had a complaint so safe to say they work well I think, from memory £8.00+ Vat less Pre '67 discount of course!

www.julianhunt.net

Last Triumph
pre67vw Junkie Topic Starter

14 years ago

#289

Thanks Andrew... Yes, we have the early seal, pretty sure they are in stock! OE German, never had a complaint so safe to say they work well I think, from memory £8.00+ Vat less Pre '67 discount of course!

Jules wrote:

Bugger - didn't know there was a KK discount for pre '67!!! I've bought loads of stuff from you recently!

I can supply...
25/36hp Crank-Flywheel shims - 3 sizes
NOS king pin thrust & fibre washers - all sizes
Cloth braided nitrile fuel hose safe for modern fuels
PM me for details...

cupa65
pre67vw Junkie

14 years ago

#290

Hi

As the 65 would be sitting around a bit I thought a Silicone one would be little more forgiving. Generally I'm will everyone else though. OE is the way to go. Having said that as long as City Seals and Bearings have seals and bearings from reputable companies like FAG etc then I think they will be OK.

cupa65
pre67vw Junkie

14 years ago

#291

Hi

As a matter of interest I have looked on the KK website but it doesn't seem to list the day to day stuff. Am i missing something?

Cheers

pre67vw
Administration

14 years ago

#292

Hi

As a matter of interest I have looked on the KK website but it doesn't seem to list the day to day stuff. Am i missing something?

Cheers

cupa65 wrote:

They sell tons of stuff that isn't on their website, just give them a ring and mention you're a pre67vw member for some discount :wink:

Rob Amos
Happiness is a stock VW

spillo491
Regular

14 years ago

#293

KK website ?

pre67vw
Administration

14 years ago

#294

KK website ?

spillo491 wrote:

Karmann Konnection

Rob Amos
Happiness is a stock VW

Last Triumph
pre67vw Junkie Topic Starter

14 years ago

#295

KK website ?

spillo491 wrote:

Karmann Konnection.

To be fair, the website is only really set up for some of the rare or unusual stuff and is only a tiny fraction of what they sell.

Tomorrow is a big day - I'll be doing a final clean on the case halves and then starting the build up.

Ususal stuff - dizzy drive, bearing dowels and bearings, assemble the crank and rods, time the cam and install etc, etc.

For those that don't know, I work for BMW who use Curil K2 to seal their engines, so bought a tub with a nice staff discount! :lol:

I can supply...
25/36hp Crank-Flywheel shims - 3 sizes
NOS king pin thrust & fibre washers - all sizes
Cloth braided nitrile fuel hose safe for modern fuels
PM me for details...

Last Triumph
pre67vw Junkie Topic Starter

14 years ago

#296

Was about to start the final clean of the case halves etc ready for the bottom end assembly, when I realised that the garage was very dirty with dust and debris - not the enviroment to build a motor, that's for sure.

Also, despite my attempts to rienforce it as best I could, I was not 100% convinced that my work bench was sufficiently sturdy enough to support the weight of a fully complete motor weighting approx 100kgs in cantilever, hanging off the top for several days, and being unimpressed with the commercially available engine stands, I decided to modify my Empi bench mount stand into a mobile unit...

So, with some hospital bed castor wheels, and the remains of the body rotation jig I made for my '64 project, I built this - quite pleased with my efforts...

I made the decision that this unit should also double as an engine trolley so welded on some support bars to rest the motor on. To give the motor something secure to 'seat' on, I welded some 6mm round bar to the top of the rails which sit perfectly into the cooling fin grooves along the bottom of the case. I mocked up the two cae halves to use as a template to get the measurements perfect.

The motor slides back and forth with ease, yet cannot fall off the rails.

I had to roll the back end of the car out of the garage to give me fabrication room.

Can't wait for the day it rolls under it's own steam again.

Next up - the engine build....

Out of curiosity, I decided to measure a valve guide after it had been in the freezer over night and immediately sprayed with liquid nitrogen upon removal from the freezer. I was surprised to measure it at exactly the same as when it was at room temperature. I checked several times, but can confirm that it was the same size at 10.07 before and after. Hmm - interesting...

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I can supply...
25/36hp Crank-Flywheel shims - 3 sizes
NOS king pin thrust & fibre washers - all sizes
Cloth braided nitrile fuel hose safe for modern fuels
PM me for details...

64rotbox
pre67vw Junkie

14 years ago

#297

Neat!

You can call me Al.

cupa65
pre67vw Junkie

14 years ago

#298

Hi

You may need more decimal places:?

Sunroof53
pre67vw Junkie

14 years ago

#299

Last Triumph wrote:

I really feel like the grim reeper here and dont want you to take this the wrong way ,but you may want to consider bracing your stand from the upright post to the dolly bit .Maybe you could make it so it bolts on so you can remove it when you use the dolly but at the moment its not strong enough.I will post a picture of my Matra VW stand to give some idea of how strong it needs to be to hang a 200kg engine on a stand that overhangs 300mm or so.Just dont want to see anyone get hurt .

Mike

Sunroof53
pre67vw Junkie

14 years ago

#300

Here's a photo of my Matra stand.Hav'nt used it since i moved 10 years ago but couldnt part with it.It bolts to the floor and i also had it bolted to a leg on my bench to stop it twisting which it does with even a short engine.

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