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Posted by: barkafer - 18 November 2008 01:38:45
Hi Folks, This is my first post so I'll intoduce myself. My name is Chris and I've loved VW's all my life. Any shape or size! I am currently the owner of a '98 Passat (for work), a '99 Sharan (family) and more interestingly a 1200 '67 T1 which I have been told is a rear Spa Kafer. She is in my garage at present waiting for me to start work on her. For 41 years she's in pretty good nick. However she does need a new floor a couple of doors and side trays and a new rear valance. The valance is proving to be an awkward part to source:? so I figured the best place to come would be this site. Any advice will be much appreciated.:d Here's a few photo's of my baby! Warts and all! [IMG]https://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq330/Berksplat/67%20VW%20Beetle/047.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]https://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq330/Berksplat/67%20VW%20Beetle/Poppyjpg.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]https://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq330/Berksplat/67%20VW%20Beetle/Poppyenginejpg.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]https://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq330/Berksplat/67%20VW%20Beetle/Poppyinteriorjpg.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]https://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq330/Berksplat/67%20VW%20Beetle/003.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]https://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq330/Berksplat/67%20VW%20Beetle/Bug6.jpg[/IMG] Great site by the way:d

Posted by: barkafer - 18 November 2008 01:38:45

Hi Folks, This is my first post so I'll intoduce myself. My name is Chris and I've loved VW's all my life. Any shape or size! I am currently the owner of a '98 Passat (for work), a '99 Sharan (family) and more interestingly a 1200 '67 T1 which I have been told is a rear Spa Kafer. She is in my garage at present waiting for me to start work on her. For 41 years she's in pretty good nick. However she does need a new floor a couple of doors and side trays and a new rear valance. The valance is proving to be an awkward part to source:? so I figured the best place to come would be this site. Any advice will be much appreciated.:d Here's a few photo's of my baby! Warts and all! [IMG]https://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq330/Berksplat/67%20VW%20Beetle/047.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]https://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq330/Berksplat/67%20VW%20Beetle/Poppyjpg.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]https://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq330/Berksplat/67%20VW%20Beetle/Poppyenginejpg.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]https://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq330/Berksplat/67%20VW%20Beetle/Poppyinteriorjpg.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]https://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq330/Berksplat/67%20VW%20Beetle/003.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]https://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq330/Berksplat/67%20VW%20Beetle/Bug6.jpg[/IMG] Great site by the way:d

Posted by: stickman - 18 November 2008 13:18:15
Hello and welcome :lol: Sorry i wouldn't know about the valance, but i expect Karmann Konnection would be able to help. Jules often posts on here, and i have got various parts from them. I don't think you are far from me, i'm in Spalding. What colour is your 67?

Posted by: pre67vw - 18 November 2008 13:44:05
Welcome to the forum!! '67 is a one year only rear valance, not sure if yours is different than other '67s? Kind of looks like a hole for a starter handle, although the bracket covers it. However, it doesn't look too bad, rather than trying to source a replacement - just get someone who knows what they are doing to repair the rusted area.

Posted by: 54 Gertie - 18 November 2008 16:27:32
Looks really cool! Cant help with any bits but just wondering, is it just me or does it have a reserve tap in the normal place on the bulkhead like 50s bugs?

Posted by: six-o-one - 18 November 2008 17:09:57
Yep, they don't have fuel gauges! They are how the 'standard' base model continued through the 60s. :d

Posted by: barkafer - 19 November 2008 11:43:13
[quote=stickman]Hello and welcome :lol: Sorry i wouldn't know about the valance, but i expect Karmann Konnection would be able to help. Jules often posts on here, and i have got various parts from them. I don't think you are far from me, i'm in Spalding. What colour is your 67? Thanks for the tip. I think it's VW blue, but I'm not sure. Are you on allduzklub?

Posted by: barkafer - 19 November 2008 11:53:30
[quote=54 Gertie]Looks really cool! Cant help with any bits but just wondering, is it just me or does it have a reserve tap in the normal place on the bulkhead like 50s bugs? Yes. No fuel guage and the tap is in the usual place.

Posted by: zelensis61 - 19 November 2008 15:36:24
Hello, Actualy it is not called a "spa" but "Spahr". And that is German for : savings. It was to create a ( standard ) beetle for less money at a time the standard was not made anymore. Most of the parts came from 6volt generations and most of them the old series. A friend had one previous, a 65 and it was still with an oval drivetrain, splitcase gearbox ...All original even the steering wheel was an Oval one. Greetings.

Posted by: zelensis61 - 19 November 2008 15:36:24

Hello, Actualy it is not called a "spa" but "Spahr". And that is German for : savings. It was to create a ( standard ) beetle for less money at a time the standard was not made anymore. Most of the parts came from 6volt generations and most of them the old series. A friend had one previous, a 65 and it was still with an oval drivetrain, splitcase gearbox ...All original even the steering wheel was an Oval one. Greetings.

Posted by: Richard - 20 November 2008 12:41:29
This is how I did mine. Was the only option. I have seen a few NOS valances at shows last year though. [img]https://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y146/thelosttraveller/war353j/820.jpg[/img] [img]https://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y146/thelosttraveller/war353j/830.jpg[/img] [img]https://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y146/thelosttraveller/war353j/850.jpg[/img] I sneakily managed to get hold of one which was rotten from the seal down, it was rotten with rust, and had been covered in fibre glass. I cut the seal retaining strip off, and cut around that section. I then got the new repro valance, stripped it of all its guts, and grafted them together, checking regularly that it was going in the right place. The inner skin was also rotten, and is a different shape on the repro, so also cut n welded them together. [img]https://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y146/thelosttraveller/war353j/860.jpg[/img] [img]https://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y146/thelosttraveller/war353j/880.jpg[/img] [img]https://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y146/thelosttraveller/war353j/950.jpg[/img] I've got no decent pics of the valance once it was painted, these are the only ones I've got... [IMG]https://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y146/thelosttraveller/67/engine.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]https://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y146/thelosttraveller/67/shoot2.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]https://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y146/thelosttraveller/67/DSCF5917.jpg[/IMG]

Posted by: Richard - 20 November 2008 12:41:29

This is how I did mine. Was the only option. I have seen a few NOS valances at shows last year though. [img]https://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y146/thelosttraveller/war353j/820.jpg[/img] [img]https://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y146/thelosttraveller/war353j/830.jpg[/img] [img]https://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y146/thelosttraveller/war353j/850.jpg[/img] I sneakily managed to get hold of one which was rotten from the seal down, it was rotten with rust, and had been covered in fibre glass. I cut the seal retaining strip off, and cut around that section. I then got the new repro valance, stripped it of all its guts, and grafted them together, checking regularly that it was going in the right place. The inner skin was also rotten, and is a different shape on the repro, so also cut n welded them together. [img]https://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y146/thelosttraveller/war353j/860.jpg[/img] [img]https://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y146/thelosttraveller/war353j/880.jpg[/img] [img]https://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y146/thelosttraveller/war353j/950.jpg[/img] I've got no decent pics of the valance once it was painted, these are the only ones I've got... [IMG]https://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y146/thelosttraveller/67/engine.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]https://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y146/thelosttraveller/67/shoot2.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]https://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y146/thelosttraveller/67/DSCF5917.jpg[/IMG]

Posted by: barkafer - 20 November 2008 23:27:17
Thanks pal. Great pics. Looks like my V has rusted in the same places. It has filler everywhere and the inner is badly rusted too. Wher did you get the repro panel from? Thanks to all you other guys for the comments too. Much appreciated:d I need all the help I can get to restore my baby!

Posted by: barkafer - 26 November 2008 00:30:30
Removed the engine saturday and found some evidence of minor collision damage.:cry: [IMG]https://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq330/Berksplat/67%20VW%20Beetle/Innerwingdamage.jpg[/IMG] Damage inside the rear n/s wing. [IMG]https://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq330/Berksplat/67%20VW%20Beetle/025.jpg[/IMG] And the rusted valance. [IMG]https://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq330/Berksplat/67%20VW%20Beetle/030.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]https://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq330/Berksplat/67%20VW%20Beetle/Bug6.jpg[/IMG] KK and Volkshaven are trying to source the valance for me. I have to get a welder first though:roll:

Posted by: barkafer - 26 November 2008 00:30:30

Removed the engine saturday and found some evidence of minor collision damage.:cry: [IMG]https://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq330/Berksplat/67%20VW%20Beetle/Innerwingdamage.jpg[/IMG] Damage inside the rear n/s wing. [IMG]https://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq330/Berksplat/67%20VW%20Beetle/025.jpg[/IMG] And the rusted valance. [IMG]https://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq330/Berksplat/67%20VW%20Beetle/030.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]https://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq330/Berksplat/67%20VW%20Beetle/Bug6.jpg[/IMG] KK and Volkshaven are trying to source the valance for me. I have to get a welder first though:roll:

Posted by: stickman - 26 November 2008 13:25:26
That should keep you out of mischief for a while! It will be worth it in the end as your Beetle is quite a rare one I guess. I never knew you could buy a beetle so late on without a fuel guage! :shock:

Posted by: Dubster - 30 November 2008 18:39:52
Hello Chris, That will be a lovely rare car when you've finished, it may be worth trying these guys for a rear valance, I know that they did have stock of NOS ones last year. https://shop.volkswarenhaus.de/index.php/language/en/cat/c725_Tail-panel.html They are nearly 300 euros though, the part number is 801 111 303 . I love VW Blue '67s, I have a 1500 one :) Are you planning on keeping it stock? It does look like it's running an alternator, so it must have been converted to 12 volts in the past. Please keep us all informed of your progress. cheers Richard

Posted by: Dubster - 30 November 2008 18:39:52

Hello Chris, That will be a lovely rare car when you've finished, it may be worth trying these guys for a rear valance, I know that they did have stock of NOS ones last year. https://shop.volkswarenhaus.de/index.php/language/en/cat/c725_Tail-panel.html They are nearly 300 euros though, the part number is 801 111 303 . I love VW Blue '67s, I have a 1500 one :) Are you planning on keeping it stock? It does look like it's running an alternator, so it must have been converted to 12 volts in the past. Please keep us all informed of your progress. cheers Richard

Posted by: barkafer - 01 December 2008 00:55:56
Thanks for that Richard. Top tip! I checked the site and they are shown as 261.00 euros plus p&p. Did you have to replace the valance on your 1500? Oh, and yes she will be kept stock as can be. She has been converted to 12v by a previous owner though.

Posted by: barkafer - 14 April 2009 01:01:53
Overdue update....! After months of searching I found a donor rear end on VZI:d Happy days. The welding will be carried out by a professional. I know my limitations! The C pillars are in pretty bad shape, having been filled. Here's a few pics. [IMG]https://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq330/Berksplat/67%20VW%20Beetle/Bug3.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]https://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq330/Berksplat/67%20VW%20Beetle/VWrustyrear062.jpg[/IMG] Donor pillars are in much better shape. [IMG]https://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq330/Berksplat/67%20VW%20Beetle/PicturesfrommyCAMERA162.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]https://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq330/Berksplat/67%20VW%20Beetle/PicturesfrommyCAMERA164.jpg[/IMG] And the rear end. [IMG]https://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq330/Berksplat/67%20VW%20Beetle/PicturesfrommyCAMERA167.jpg[/IMG] The rotten engine bay vent. [IMG]https://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq330/Berksplat/67%20VW%20Beetle/Bug2.jpg[/IMG] And the donor. [IMG]https://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq330/Berksplat/67%20VW%20Beetle/PicturesfrommyCAMERA171.jpg[/IMG] The rest of the donor was kippered I can assure you!:cry:

Posted by: barkafer - 14 April 2009 01:01:53

Overdue update....! After months of searching I found a donor rear end on VZI:d Happy days. The welding will be carried out by a professional. I know my limitations! The C pillars are in pretty bad shape, having been filled. Here's a few pics. [IMG]https://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq330/Berksplat/67%20VW%20Beetle/Bug3.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]https://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq330/Berksplat/67%20VW%20Beetle/VWrustyrear062.jpg[/IMG] Donor pillars are in much better shape. [IMG]https://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq330/Berksplat/67%20VW%20Beetle/PicturesfrommyCAMERA162.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]https://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq330/Berksplat/67%20VW%20Beetle/PicturesfrommyCAMERA164.jpg[/IMG] And the rear end. [IMG]https://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq330/Berksplat/67%20VW%20Beetle/PicturesfrommyCAMERA167.jpg[/IMG] The rotten engine bay vent. [IMG]https://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq330/Berksplat/67%20VW%20Beetle/Bug2.jpg[/IMG] And the donor. [IMG]https://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq330/Berksplat/67%20VW%20Beetle/PicturesfrommyCAMERA171.jpg[/IMG] The rest of the donor was kippered I can assure you!:cry:

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