Posted by: 54 Gertie - 06 November 2008 18:34:44
Hi Can anyone tell me if these headlamps are correct for a Febuary 55 RHD bug? [img]https://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e7/markey1975/IMAG0098.jpg[/img]

Posted by: vintagevw - 07 November 2008 11:36:54
I guess they are a bit later. Do they have the BOSCH logo on the chrome ring? My april 55 haves Hella units.

Posted by: Rich Oakley - 08 November 2008 14:55:49
That type was used on August '55 and later cars in the UK. Yours would have most likely been Hella ones with 7 o'clock and 5 o'clock adjusters.

Posted by: tman - 09 November 2008 23:56:53
Thanks Rich for the remark about 5 and 7-o'clock adjusters. Following the OP's questions and picture, we were committed to buying these but it was a good price so we're not worried :d I think they are definitely later than we'd like but they are closer than the ones currently on the car! Are these possibly Dutch headlights (see the NL logo)? [IMG]https://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff32/outwellandrew/20081109-IMG_1991.jpg[/IMG] Yes, they have a Bosch logo on the rim: [IMG]https://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff32/outwellandrew/Logo.jpg[/IMG] Is that a date code at the end of the 1st line? Is that 1/57? [IMG]https://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff32/outwellandrew/20081109-IMG_1994.jpg[/IMG]

Posted by: Etzhold1 - 10 November 2008 08:48:21
Those lights are 58 and later ! Guido

Posted by: mrsherbie - 10 November 2008 11:52:08
I have a lovely pair of the same Bosch lights that I was going to fit to my Feb55 as I have always liked the Bosch glass, and have never been certain about which lights were correct during oval period, I know as many ovals wearing Bosch as Hella's. But my car's og ones were definitely Hella as they are dated correct, so I have to stick with them. Even though I dont think they look as nice. Bosch does seem to be more common during later 50's though, certainly pretty much all og 58+ beetles we get have Bosch fitted, and all 40's beetles and splits seem to wear Hella's. (Also all our Barndoor og lights are only Hella's with logo'd chromes) BUT, I am certain pre55 Porsche wear Bosch(maybe Hella also but I really dont know enough yet) as we have some Bosch logo'd, (both large and small (as above) Bosch logo's) And Dr Johnson told me that our large logo lights are 50 & 51 Porsche! :d So I am still confused myself for definite about the [u]logo'd[/u] chrome's? Pre55 Hella chrome was logo'd, so you would think Bosch would follow? I can never remember how to date the Bosch ( But Etzhold does! :d ) as they are harder than Hella, which are easy to date. Regardless, they are nice lights you have, the Bosch glass with the rope design is SO nice, I would use them anyway if you have them :d

Posted by: GKL 7 - 10 November 2008 19:16:27
[quote=mrsherbie]BUT, I am certain pre55 Porsche wear Bosch(maybe Hella also but I really dont know enough yet) [/quote] I'm as confused as you are now.

Posted by: Judson53 - 10 November 2008 22:59:54
Ive got hella on my 53 oval and on my 55 splitscreen

Posted by: tman - 10 November 2008 23:32:33
[quote=Etzhold1]Those lights are 58 and later ! Guido [/quote] Thanks Guido (and everyone else). I've definitely learned something here. So, a set of these beauty's should do it for an early '55? [ATTACH]2119[/Attach] [ATTACH]2120[/Attach]

Posted by: Etzhold1 - 11 November 2008 08:45:27
A Feb Bosch headlight is marked with "2 L" 2 = feb L = 1955 A Hella headlight is marked with "N 5" N = 1955 5 = 5th week What is the code from your headlights? Guido

Posted by: mrsherbie - 11 November 2008 09:28:39
[quote='50 Karmann] I'm as confused as you are now. [/quote] Its good to be confused, keeps the mind active :lol: My Feb 55's Hellas are 'M's which would be 54. I dont have a pic on me at the mo.

Posted by: Etzhold1 - 11 November 2008 09:44:06
2 or 3 months earlyer then the car was delivered is correct ! Yours are maybe 48-52 M lights About the bosch rings , they had 2 different Bosch inscriptions, large and small ! I have here several early porsche lenses, are you interested or do you know people who could be interested because I would like to sell them ! Guido

Posted by: mrsherbie - 11 November 2008 09:56:38
I only remember the M but cant remember the week numbers now they are back in the car but I think they are double numbers. I have a pair of Bosch lights here on my desk right now to fit on the 356 with small logo chromes and the reflectors have 5L. Close enough replacements I think considering it was wearing 60's lights when we bought it :lol: (and no, they are not the one in my pic with vw logo glass!) [quote=Etzhold1] I have here several early porsche lenses, are you interested or do you know people who could be interested because I would like to sell them ! Guido[/quote] We have some too but in no rush to sell ours although a few people have expressed an interest on the samba so you should sell yours no problem. I wanted to fit large logo to our 55 356 but Dr Johnson emailed me to say they would be too early :shock: So I am fitting smaller logo. If beetles were never fitted with Bosch pre56, yet Porsche were never fitted with Hella pre56? This is where my confusion lies :? [img]https://img.villagephotos.com/p/2008-8/1320030/bosch.jpg[/img]

Posted by: Etzhold1 - 11 November 2008 10:13:12
:? [ATTACH]2121[/Attach]

Posted by: mrsherbie - 11 November 2008 10:16:39
[quote=tman] Thanks Guido (and everyone else). I've definitely learned something here. So, a set of these beauty's should do it for an early '55? [/quote] Yes to the lights themselves, but that split glass lens is too early for oval ?

Posted by: mrsherbie - 11 November 2008 10:17:45
[quote=Etzhold1]:? [/quote] :shock: Hooray! :beer:

Posted by: Etzhold1 - 11 November 2008 10:27:19
Early 356 Bosch and hella lens ! Somebody told me the hella lens is Pré A ??? [ATTACH]2122[/Attach] [ATTACH]2124[/Attach]

Posted by: pre67vw - 11 November 2008 10:32:04
But, Aquaman, you cannot marry a woman without gills. You're from two different worlds... Oh, I've wasted my life. [ATTACH]2123[/Attach]

Posted by: Etzhold1 - 11 November 2008 10:35:16
:?: :?: :?: :?: :?: :?: :?: :?:

Posted by: pre67vw - 11 November 2008 10:43:38
Just kidding Guido, it's all very interesting... :d

Posted by: JD - 11 November 2008 12:01:50
[quote=pre67vw]But, Aquaman, you cannot marry a woman without gills. You're from two different worlds... Oh, I've wasted my life. [/quote] PMSL!:lol:

Posted by: Volumex - 11 November 2008 13:56:46
OK, I am going to be difficult. My 54 Manual (dated December 54, page attached) has got both Bosch and Hella adjustment instructions, and the 54 manual dated January 54 on TheSamba has the identical picture. I reckon those lights are correct for your car. My old VW mechanic (who was an apprentice to a German factory trained mechanic) also told me that either types were fitted. My $0.02. [img]https://lancia.googlepages.com/Dec_54_Manual_Headlight.jpg[/img]

Posted by: vintagevw - 11 November 2008 18:47:49
These are on my untouched april 1955 oval. First 2 pictures are the ones on my car, the otherones is to show how they look inside. [ATTACH]2127[/Attach] [ATTACH]2128[/Attach] [ATTACH]2130[/Attach] [ATTACH]2131[/Attach] [ATTACH]2132[/Attach]

Posted by: mrsherbie - 11 November 2008 19:08:28
[img]https://img.villagephotos.com/p/2008-9/1321960/lights2.jpg[/img]

Posted by: Etzhold1 - 11 November 2008 19:16:00
I went to the Belgian coast today to pick up some parts, yep Bus lenses ! My son is learning to drive a car , so He could drive and I could relax in the backseat, I was reading in the 52 workshop manuel, I posted a picture this morning from the Headlights Bosch and hella ! Now I was looking realy close to that picture, The hella light has a VW logo at 18 hours ! I know thats correct for a 49 , so I would not always believe pictures in workshop Manuels, or manuels ! They where using older pictures :roll: In the 50ties that was no problem at all, but now people are restoring those old cars , and they are looking for correct headlights, it could be a large problem ! Sh.t I bought 49 lights for my 52 :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: The headlights above are correct for 55 :wink: Guido

Posted by: 54 Gertie - 12 November 2008 12:07:33
[quote=mrsherbie][img]https://img.villagephotos.com/p/2008-9/1321960/lights2.jpg[/img][/quote] Thanks Mr Nordoff!

Posted by: Rich Oakley - 12 November 2008 12:41:12
[quote=Etzhold1]The headlights above are correct for 55 :wink: Guido [/quote] Defintely correct- Pascal's lights above are the right ones. I'd bet my life on it (or £10, whichever is the most valuable).

Posted by: Caledfryn - 16 November 2008 10:57:53
These are from my April '54 Oval - Wolfsburg built Aussie ckd. [img]https://farm4.static.flickr.com/3215/2506139155_3d15c14fb2.jpg[/img] [img]https://farm4.static.flickr.com/3108/2506968910_785ab8d8eb.jpg[/img]

Posted by: mrsherbie - 16 November 2008 12:33:56
I have been looking, and yes, FAR more cars from 50-57 are wearing Hella, but I also found all these pics in various places, including brown Etzold book and Terry Schuler. I found a lot more than this actually. Many Bosch in 51 for some reason? Some are hard to see in my pics ( I have no scanner so I took photos) but they are all definitely Bosch headlights. ps. I am not trying to be a troublemaker? ( it is just my natural skill I am told :lol: ) I am not greedy so I will take just 1 of these please! :shock: :d [img]https://img.villagephotos.com/p/2006-3/1155935/police.jpg[/img] 1950 sunroof ( ours has Hellas) [img]https://img.villagephotos.com/p/2008-9/1321960/50.jpg[/img] 1951 [img]https://img.villagephotos.com/p/2008-9/1321960/51.jpg[/img] pic says 1952, but must be post Oct 52 [img]https://img.villagephotos.com/p/2008-9/1321960/52.jpg[/img] 1954 [img]https://img.villagephotos.com/p/2008-9/1321960/54-2.jpg[/img] 1954 [img]https://img.villagephotos.com/p/2008-9/1321960/19954.jpg[/img] [img]https://img.villagephotos.com/p/2008-9/1321960/54-1.jpg[/img] 1956 [img]https://img.villagephotos.com/p/2008-9/1321960/56.jpg[/img] March 1954 ( '53 model) [img]https://img.villagephotos.com/p/2007-7/1270155/1954.jpg[/img]