Posted by: zelensis61 - 02 February 2009 20:52:22
There is something going on in the north... Strange body found , rarest of the rare volkswagen : [b]porsche model K60/7 pre-kdf [/b]find if you ask me :shock: :shock: :shock: . [url=https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=340552]kdf find in Lithuania[/url] This is on thesamba.But we can talk over it also here :lol: Like it is probably a 38 :shock: , It fits the pre67 site :wink: . Greetings Peter

Posted by: pre67vw - 02 February 2009 21:14:51
Crazy! Shame it's so butchered, but will be great to see more details come out in the near future!!

Posted by: vicpolky - 02 February 2009 21:35:37
fantastic 8) that is a car that, no matter how butchered and modified, deserves to be saved.

Posted by: Bjoern - 02 February 2009 21:59:48
In my mind I see all these Volkswagenquys, famous collectors and dealers runnung to find the holy graal in Lithunia. This evening, they looked on the map, where or what this Lithunia should be ;-) [img]https://einestages.spiegel.de/hund-images/2008/05/13/23/c0a98cd0e3cb37a7a526449130058c1c_image_document_large_featured_borderless.jpg[/img]

Posted by: mrsherbie - 02 February 2009 22:08:13
:lol: :lol: :lol: Wow wonderful, it needs someone really commited with a lot of knowledge and skill to try to put it back! there is so little left there :shock: But it is museum car in the end :d

Posted by: 55Kab - 02 February 2009 22:20:17
:shock: :shock: :shock: What a find. This'll be one thread to keep an eye on! Only wish I'd found it!

Posted by: mrsherbie - 02 February 2009 22:34:31
[quote=55Kab]: Only wish I'd found it![/quote] Yes I thought that at first, but then changed my mind quickly after I thought about the responsibility :shock: :lol: and the fact that you would probably not end up actually driving it anywhere, it will be ( quite rightly) an 'indoors to look at' car.

Posted by: SplitPersonality - 03 February 2009 00:04:59
[quote=Bjoern]In my mind I see all these Volkswagenquys, famous collectors and dealers runnung to find the holy graal in Lithunia. This evening, they looked on the map, where or what this Lithunia should be ;-) [/quote] Funny - that was my first thought as well... The vwoultures are circling Lithuania to find the lottery winner...

Posted by: kdf38 - 03 February 2009 02:56:38
We are the knights who search "KdF" Wir sind die Ritter, die 'KdF' suchen [quote=SplitPersonality] Funny - that was my first thought as well... The vwoultures are circling Lithuania to find the lottery winner...[/quote]

Posted by: JD - 03 February 2009 08:33:00
Ummm - wow!:shock: So, is this the worlds oldest?

Posted by: Rich Oakley - 03 February 2009 12:28:22
[quote=JD]Ummm - wow!:shock: So, is this the worlds oldest? [/quote] Could be chassis 38-001 or 38-002, but we'll never know as the chassis is no longer with the car.

Posted by: 54 Gertie - 03 February 2009 12:46:07
Good God!:shock: :wink: Having just got over the initial shock of what that car would need to get it "fixed" I suppose it is not much more than a lot of cars on the road today! What I mean is that lots of beetles have had 4 almost complete new quarters, as well as the dreaded "bottom six inches" so I suppose there is not a [i]huge[/i] amount of work there!:wink: Anyway, if it does turn out to be a pre war prototype im 100% sure that it will be saved and returned to its former glory! (and hopefully not just locked in garage for one mans enjoyment!:roll: :wink: )

Posted by: 54 Gertie - 03 February 2009 12:47:10
[quote=54 Gertie]Good God!:shock: :wink: Having just got over the initial shock of what that car would need to get it "fixed" I suppose it is not much more than a lot of cars on the road today! What I mean is that lots of beetles have had 4 almost complete new quarters, as well as the dreaded "bottom six inches" so I suppose there is not a [i]huge[/i] amount of work there!:wink: Anyway, if it does turn out to be a pre war prototype im 100% sure that it will be saved and returned to its former glory! (and hopefully not just locked in garage for one mans enjoyment!:roll: :wink: )[/quote] Having just said all that, I had forgotten the windows!:roll: :wink: good luck to whoever buys it is all I can say!:wink: :lol:

Posted by: JD - 03 February 2009 13:38:57
Christian is being very quiet - I bet its already in his garage!:d

Posted by: Etzhold1 - 03 February 2009 17:30:00
Yes very quiet:? ,I was calling him this morning he told me that This car will be the head price for the Saterday evening tombola at the next Hessisch oldendorf meeting [-x ! Second price is only a Schwimmwagen [-x , and the 3the price a kubelwagen[-x He also asked If could pull the winning numbers with my innocent hands !:lol: Then I know for sure where that car will go to :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: HEY I'm only Joking !!!! Guido:wink:

Posted by: axelstruwe - 04 February 2009 08:30:35
[quote=zelensis61]There is something going on in the north... Strange body found , rarest of the rare KDF find if you ask me :shock: :shock: :shock: . [url=https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=340552]kdf find in Lithuania[/url] This is on thesamba.But we can talk over it also here :lol: Greetings [/quote] This is not a KDF beetle. It´s a vw38, pre war and pre kdf. At this time, there was no fabric called "Volkswagenwerk" and there was also no town called "Stadt des KDF Wagens". Axel Struwe

Posted by: zelensis61 - 04 February 2009 11:33:20
Axel, thanks for mention it. I edited the first post. :beer: Greets.

Posted by: Bjoern - 04 February 2009 11:49:18
[quote=axelstruwe] This is not a KDF beetle. It´s a vw38, pre war and pre kdf. At this time, there was no fabric called "Volkswagenwerk" and there was also no town called "Stadt des KDF Wagens". Axel Struwe[/quote] And it is not a Volkswagen - it is an old Porsche... [img]https://i495.photobucket.com/albums/rr315/beetleaid/Tpenschild.jpg[/img]

Posted by: JD - 04 February 2009 11:58:28
Can´t be a [i]real[/i] Porsche - the company wasn´t started until 1950!:lol:

Posted by: Bjoern - 04 February 2009 12:03:42
You are right. But Volkswagen celebrate the 60th aniversary. Hmm - but who built all theses cars?:roll:

Posted by: lifeintheslowlane - 04 February 2009 18:35:22
[quote=Etzhold1]Yes very quiet:? ,I was calling him this morning he told me that This car will be the head price for the Saterday evening tombola at the next Hessisch oldendorf meeting[/quote] That's good to hear as I have a very good record on the Saturday Night Tombola...it's as good as mine. I bought 12 Tombola tickets at the 2005 event and had 8 winners.:d

Posted by: GKL 7 - 04 February 2009 18:39:58
[quote=lifeintheslowlane] That's good to hear as I have a very good record on the Saturday Night Tombola...it's as good as mine. I bought 12 Tombola tickets at the 2005 event and had 8 winners.:d [/quote] I shout, FIX.

Posted by: Chris - 04 February 2009 21:58:42
[quote=lifeintheslowlane] That's good to hear as I have a very good record on the Saturday Night Tombola...it's as good as mine. I bought 12 Tombola tickets at the 2005 event and had 8 winners.:d [/quote] [img]https://smiley.onegreatguy.net/banhim.gif[/img]

Posted by: lifeintheslowlane - 05 February 2009 10:54:24
Yar you're just jealous.:x When I'm driving my '38 Split and you're all trying to be pally with me...[b]I shall cut you dead[/b] :!:

Posted by: mrsherbie - 05 February 2009 14:00:51
I just want to add that at last months HVWOC meet 2 weeks ago, mr troublemaker central also won the raffle [b]3[/b] times! [img]https://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/MMPH/174179~David-Copperfield-Posters.jpg[/img]

Posted by: lifeintheslowlane - 05 February 2009 14:43:55
Damn where did you find that picture of me:!: You know that velvet jacket was Bottle Green...Tres Suave at the time.8) As for being a troublemaker, you didn't tell them I was nice enough to put one of the winning numbers back in the hat.

Posted by: bruce - 09 February 2009 06:20:03
[quote=Bjoern]. Hmm - but who built all theses cars?:roll: [/quote] The pre-war prototypes VW38 and VW39 were built for Porsche by Mercedes Benz.

Posted by: Undis - 11 February 2009 08:19:29
Just dropped in to say hello! Needless to say, I'm pretty stoked by the turmoil this has created. And I can add that the owner of the centrepiece of all this, also has been reading the topic on TheSamba! I'll continue updating that thread as soon as I get more information. That includes making a trip to Lithuania to have personal look at the car. Happy reading! Undis in Latvia

Posted by: JD - 11 February 2009 08:31:22
Good to have you here Undis. Thanks again for the photos!

Posted by: lifeintheslowlane - 11 February 2009 08:45:53
Yes thanks for your posts Undis. Thankfully most of the crap posts on the Samba topic have been removed leaving just the serious discussions.8) I'm sure the owner now has a good idea of the importance of his car. Hopefully he'll also be sensible enough when he comes to sell it, not to ask a rediculous amount and to choose who he sells it to carefully, although I can only see serious players making a bid for it.

Posted by: Standard split - 11 February 2009 09:11:07
I'll kick off the bids here with £8,000 :d But I think to restore this very interesting VW relic, a reasonable mid1940's Beetle will need to be sacrificed. So more big money. I'm not sure how I would go about this but as the '38 has no chassis and not much else, it may be a case of transferring as much of its remains to the donor car as possible, then fabricating missing '38 features:?: Problem here though, without the '38 chassis the car will never actually be accepted as a 1938 car – registration for example.:cry:

Posted by: Undis - 11 February 2009 10:54:17
If this car goes to the right person, it will get restored with NOS panels from 1938! And who knows, maybe even a correct chassis will show up... I don't think a mid-fourties beetle will be much help here. Only original metal and handmade parts from original blueprints will do in this case:wink: No matter how you look at it, this car cannot be resurected without the help of some very serious players who got the knowledge and the parts to do the job right. The owner is aware of this too.

Posted by: mrsherbie - 11 February 2009 11:02:53
[quote=Standard split]a reasonable mid1940's Beetle will need to be sacrificed.[/quote] I am saving this as evidence that you actually said it!! :shock: :lol: I agree it has to be dropped onto an old pan, a 1950 standard would still be acceptable and be far cheaper and more ok 'to sacrifice' than a 40s bug in the name of the greater good? 'NOS 38 panels'? I think that is a language/translation blip? :lol: :beer:

Posted by: JD - 11 February 2009 11:09:13
[quote=mrsherbie] I agree it has to be dropped onto an old pan, a 1950 standard would still be acceptable and be far cheaper and more ok 'to sacrifice' than a 40s bug in the name of the greater good? [/quote] What she said! Does anyone know whats under the reconstuctions of the VW2 and 3 that VW have? I´m betting they don´t have original prototype engines and gearboxes. "As good as you can" will probably have to do for some parts on this car, when it is eventually rebuilt.

Posted by: fantakid - 11 February 2009 11:09:55
No, there are orginal NOS panels from 1938 out there - i have seen them . Christian:lol:

Posted by: JD - 11 February 2009 11:11:18
:shock: :shock:

Posted by: fantakid - 11 February 2009 11:11:49
They used chassis and technik from beetle from the 50ths - they did not care !

Posted by: Standard split - 11 February 2009 11:12:05
[quote][/quote]'NOS 38 panels'? I think that is a language/translation blip? [quote][/quote] Must be:!: I'd love too see these 'NOS 38 panels':shock: A mid '40s Beetle is a huge sacrifice I agree. But you couldn't use a KdF, that's for sure, even rarer. But I feel the donor car would need to be as early as poss, and 1950's just doesn't cut it. However a Kubel chassis would be a good compromise :wink:

Posted by: mrsherbie - 11 February 2009 11:14:26
[quote=fantakid]No, there are orginal NOS panels from 1938 out there - i have [i]bought them all[/i] . Christian:lol: [/quote] I fixed it for you :lol:

Posted by: JD - 11 February 2009 11:29:19
[quote=fantakid]They used chassis and technik from beetle from the 50ths - they did not care ![/quote] I think its OK. Its better than looking at photos.:d

Posted by: Etzhold1 - 11 February 2009 11:39:53
I thought Ferdinand Porsche started a car constructions office in 1930! He was building already small cars for zundapp and NSU between 1932 and 1934 In 1934 he told Hitler that he was able to build a car for the people, a "Volkswagen" So it was NOT Adolfs idee to start building VW's , but he was really happy with the idee, so he was using that idee for his own propaganda program :roll: ! Regards, Guido:wink:

Posted by: Undis - 11 February 2009 12:13:18
[quote=mrsherbie] 'NOS 38 panels'? I think that is a language/translation blip? :lol: :beer: [/quote] I know, I know - extraordinary statements require extraordinary proof! But, seeing that Christian has just posted in here, I'll just shut up.

Posted by: lifeintheslowlane - 11 February 2009 12:13:49
Hmmmm, I know some of you think I'm going senile but I have a distinct recollection of being shown what might have been a suitable chassis whilst visiting a certain museum in Hessisch Oldendorf. Of course I couldn't possibly say which museum that was.[-x

Posted by: Undis - 11 February 2009 12:17:08
Nope, that one is too old. Someone need to find a matching body of a VW30 then.

Posted by: lifeintheslowlane - 11 February 2009 12:20:04
Yes now you come to mention it I think it was probably a '36 chassis.:?

Posted by: Undis - 11 February 2009 12:22:41
1937 number 26 You can see the actual car in books. The one in the windtunnel tests!

Posted by: lifeintheslowlane - 11 February 2009 12:33:15
I think I'll just shut up...I know when I'm out of my depth.:wink:

Posted by: Undis - 11 February 2009 12:47:54
Hey, don't worry about it. Lately my head if full of this crap! Been doing a lot of research on the subject. Starting to get weird dreams at night...

Posted by: 48REME - 11 February 2009 13:48:06
[quote=JD] What she said! Does anyone know whats under the reconstuctions of the VW2 and 3 that VW have? I´m betting they don´t have original prototype engines and gearboxes. "As good as you can" will probably have to do for some parts on this car, when it is eventually rebuilt.[/quote] Isn't there a school of thought that might find it almost wrong to make this car as correct as it would have been when it first came to be? Even with the best, most original, most NOS parts on it, it will end up being almost a modern-day reconstruction where there might be more repairs and replacement than what's left on it. It may look terrible as it is at the moment but I almost find it more exciting like that, it is a witness to many years of history that it has gone through, it has the wear and abuse which might explain its long tired life. If this car is 'corrected' and displayed in a show, museum or private collection, how will anyone looking at it be aware of what it's been through, apart from observing photos of how it was when discovered? I think it's great that it has Volga door handles for example, it explains where it was geographically during part of its life. I can understand the total resurrection of a later production car because one might want to have a perfect example of a particular year model but this car is so unique that it almost deserves to be left untouched, as it cannot be compared to anything else yet discovered. Of course, it would have been nicer if it had been found intact but that's usually not how history and time allows us to come across these occasional gems. The same happens in ancient buildings which have been modified over time. Their alterations are the actual proof of their age and how we've helped them cross the centuries to be with us still today. Any thoughts?

Posted by: lifeintheslowlane - 11 February 2009 14:03:57
[quote=48REME] Isn't there a school of thought that might find it almost wrong to make this car as correct as it would have been when it first came to be? Even with the best, most original, most NOS parts on it, it will end up being almost a modern-day reconstruction where there might be more repairs and replacement than what's left on it. It may look terrible as it is at the moment but I almost find it more exciting like that, it is a witness to many years of history that it has gone through, it has the wear and abuse which might explain its long tired life. If this car is 'corrected' and displayed in a show, museum or private collection, how will anyone looking at it be aware of what it's been through, apart from observing photos of how it was when discovered? I think it's great that it has Volga door handles for example, it explains where it was geographically during part of its life. I can understand the total resurrection of a later production car because one might want to have a perfect example of a particular year model but this car is so unique that it almost deserves to be left untouched, as it cannot be compared to anything else yet discovered. Of course, it would have been nicer if it had been found intact but that's usually not how history and time allows us to come across these occasional gems. The same happens in ancient buildings which have been modified over time. Their alterations are the actual proof of their age and how we've helped them cross the centuries to be with us still today. Any thoughts?[/quote] Usually I'd be right there with you on this but how many of these prototypes exist. If there were 3 or 4 perfect examples already in existance I'd say yes, leave it as it is but this could be the last chance to restore(?) or recreate(?) a part of automotive history. If it is rebuilt you can bet every last nut and bolt will be recorded of this car as it stands now...the record won't be lost so I say...if the correct parts are there and the detailed documentary evidence exists on how the prototype should go together...it should be done. That's my opinion, for what it's worth.

Posted by: JD - 11 February 2009 14:05:16
I see what you are saying, but my feeling is that at the moment its more a monument to Lithuanian inventiveness than to VWs history. Its kind of at the point where its beyond doing a sympathetic restoration.

Posted by: fantakid - 11 February 2009 14:05:42
I saw the pics of the resto of the 38 from Automuseum and there is not much left from the orginal car. The car wich is now found will have 30 % more orginal parts then this car. The cabrio from the museum is nice and very untouched but you can not use the car complett as an example. This car was build by Authenried ( a couchbild company ). They used a normal beetle typ 38 and build the cabrio. So the car has a lot more weldings and parts to strong the body then the normal typ 38 has. This car has to be saved and restaured the best way it could. This could be to about 70 % as orginal as about 70% of pics and draweings of the typ 38 exist - for 30 % there is no info at the moment

Posted by: 48REME - 11 February 2009 14:39:28
But if the car is not a production VW as many people have idenified above, how will the restorer know exactly what is correct for this car? If I understand well, these prototypes seem to have varied slightly from one experimental model to the other so what has been lost on this car might only be reinvented out of assumption, no?

Posted by: Etzhold1 - 11 February 2009 14:50:21
[quote=48REME]But if the car is not a production VW as many people have idenified above, how will the restorer know exactly what is correct for this car? If I understand well, these prototypes seem to have varied slightly from one experimental model to the other so what has been lost on this car might only be reinvented out of assumption, no?[/quote] I know a guy who has original bleuprints from these cars, that would be a great help aswell ! Guido

Posted by: Undis - 11 February 2009 15:00:06
[quote=48REME] ...Any thoughts?[/quote] Interesting line of thought and I’m almost happy to agree with this. There is certain excitement and awe in just realising how incredibly this vehicle has survived to this day. This also was expressed on TheSamaba forum, that in away thanks to all the modifications it was not scrapped decades ago. The problem I see here though is that the modifications are god-awful and are infact falling apart already. Just look at the interior shots. It is a mess. If this was a compplete driveable vehicle with a number of necessary modifications made and all it would need is some freshening up, then yes, I would say keep it as it is. Also knowing that parts for this rare vehicle can be found and finally put to good use, and whatever is missing can be reproduced, I would like (IMHO) to see this car brought back to original appearance as far as it is possible. Some compromises may need to be made in relation to things like engine/gearbox/running gear… What I really would like to see that every bit of this car is photographed, recorded, noted down and preserved for its history.

Posted by: JD - 11 February 2009 15:03:13
[quote=48REME]But if the car is not a production VW as many people have idenified above, how will the restorer know exactly what is correct for this car? If I understand well, these prototypes seem to have varied slightly from one experimental model to the other so what has been lost on this car might only be reinvented out of assumption, no?[/quote] They´ll have to simply do the best they can. I see nothing wrong with that. They´d have to really go some to make it less accurate than it is already!:d

Posted by: 48REME - 11 February 2009 15:12:39
[quote=JD] They´ll have to simply do the best they can. I see nothing wrong with that. They´d have to really go some to make it less accurate than it is already!:d [/quote] I'm sure, it will be wonderful to see it remade too just as I'm sure it will spark endless discussions, disagreements and arguments between experts who will find something to pick on. Meanwhile, only the car knows what it once was like... I like the idea of preserving that sense of mystery!:wink:

Posted by: pre67vw - 11 February 2009 15:35:52
Are we talking about a museum piece or a privately owned car? I like the idea of it preserved in a glass case as it is, in a museum - a bit like a piece of a shipwreck on display. But if I owned it privately I'd much prefer it as a restored as close as possible (Kübel chassis etc, no 50's stuff).

Posted by: 48REME - 11 February 2009 16:22:08
[quote=pre67vw] I like the idea of it preserved in a glass case as it is, in a museum - a bit like a piece of a shipwreck on display.[/quote] That's probably exactly what I would do.:wink:

Posted by: Rich Oakley - 17 February 2009 20:26:39
Let's face facts; this car is in absolutely awful condition, but by some miracle of fate and enthusiastic Communist-esque modification it has managed to just about survive. In its current condition, it vaguely presents a shadow of its former self with those tantalising VW38 features. I personally believe that it needs to be 'reconstructed' using the original drawings to the best possible standards. OK, it's never going to be an original matching numbers car, but it would be a nice representation (and to some degree interpretation), of a VW38 car.

Posted by: VW Stan - 17 February 2009 20:40:02
[quote=Rich Oakley]Let's face facts; this car is in absolutely awful condition, but by some miracle of fate and enthusiastic Communist-esque modification it has managed to just about survive. In its current condition, it vaguely presents a shadow of its former self with those tantalising VW38 features. I personally believe that it needs to be 'reconstructed' using the original drawings to the best possible standards. OK, it's never going to be an original matching numbers car, but it would be a nice representation (and to some degree interpretation), of a VW38 car. [/quote] With what's left you might as well just start from scratch and leave that one next to it!

Posted by: 54 Gertie - 17 February 2009 20:45:58
[quote=VW Stan] With what's left you might as well just start from scratch and leave that one next to it![/quote] There is quite a lot left of the original car! :wink: People replace chassis all four 1/4 panels etc on ovals and even 60s and 70s bugs! It is worth saving, but making no bones about the fact that it is possibly the most un original car around!:lol:

Posted by: Rich Oakley - 17 February 2009 21:02:20
[quote=VW Stan] With what's left you might as well just start from scratch and leave that one next to it![/quote] I would have to disagree Malc. There are important features remaining on this car such as the decklid, decklid support brackets and prop, 80% of the bonnet, doors, and probably 50% of the shell which are truly unique and which mostly didn't survive on the other VW38 (#003). I think what remains needs to be conserved and used as the basis of a reconstruction.

Posted by: GKL 7 - 17 February 2009 21:05:58
If this turns out to be what it's thought to be,it is probably one of the best VW finds in my lifetime. I would have been happy to find and mount, on my garage wall, the decklid alone. Theres only one trouble with this car.WHO'S going to do the work.If it's not correct at the end,WELL ....you can imagine.

Posted by: Rich Oakley - 17 February 2009 21:08:18
[quote='50 Karmann] If this turns out to be what it's thought to be,it is probably one of the best VW finds in my lifetime. [/quote] Really? Since 1932??! :wink:

Posted by: GKL 7 - 17 February 2009 21:09:49
I'll give you that one,just so, it's not all one sided.:wink:

Posted by: 54 Gertie - 17 February 2009 21:12:08
I certainly wouldnt want to be responsible for restoring it!:wink:

Posted by: 48REME - 18 February 2009 15:34:31
[quote=Rich Oakley] I would have to disagree Malc. There are important features remaining on this car such as the decklid, decklid support brackets and prop, 80% of the bonnet, doors, and probably 50% of the shell which are truly unique and which mostly didn't survive on the other VW38 (#003). I think what remains needs to be conserved and used as the basis of a reconstruction. [/quote] When it's all done and shiny, how will you be able to tell what's original from what's been reconstructed? For me, this is the tragedy of a restoration which simply eradicates any indication of the car's past life. The beauty (if any!) of this wreck is that the precious and unique parts stand out amidst what's been added over the years.

Posted by: Bjoern - 18 February 2009 15:53:37
If I read all these worldwide discussion about the quality of a potential restauration of that car, I understand all these people who hide their rarest cars and didn't show it in public until it is finished. If you think about how much of an vintage Bugatti, Horch or charged Mercedes is original of if you think that pictures of the body were published - put not the rest of the parts which might exist the VW38 has a good potentional.

Posted by: lifeintheslowlane - 18 February 2009 16:15:05
Ultimately the whole discussion is getting a little pointless. If the car has reached it's final resting place, the owner/restorer isn't going to ask your or (rather surprisingly) my opinion on what or how it should be done. If it were mine I would decide [b]myself[/b] what should be done and then find the right people to do it. I certainly wouldn't be reading forum posts about the morality of whether it should be done or not. I've got a feeling that's what will happen...it's a no win situation because there will always be people who will be appalled at the decision he makes.:roll: But I say just do it and F**k 'em all.

Posted by: 55Kab - 18 February 2009 19:38:31
[quote=lifeintheslowlane]But I say just do it and F**k 'em all.[/quote] That's more like it, a bit of attitude!:wink: I like that approach, especially the comments I've had about modding a 55 RHD Cabrio!:lol: :lol:

Posted by: 54 Gertie - 18 February 2009 19:40:56
[quote=55Kab] That's more like it, a bit of attitude!:wink: I like that approach, especially the comments I've had about modding a 55 RHD Cabrio!:lol: :lol: [/quote] Your doing [i]what[/i] to an OG uk cab!:twisted: :lol: :lol:

Posted by: GKL 7 - 18 February 2009 19:53:04
[quote=55Kab] That's more like it, a bit of attitude!:wink: [/quote] He probably needed to go for a lie down after that outburst. It's great not being the oldest poster on here anymore,i'm lovin' it.

Posted by: lifeintheslowlane - 18 February 2009 22:44:40
I use old Victor as a role model.:d

Posted by: RockStock - 18 February 2009 23:15:58
the highest quality resto, defo. lots of originality still exists

Posted by: Undis - 25 February 2009 13:47:38
More pictures added to the topic on TheSamba https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=340552 Enjoy! Cheers, Undis

Posted by: Rich Oakley - 26 February 2009 23:13:10
Thank you again Undis for the wonderful pictures. I hope your trip goes well at the weekend. The latest batch of pics show that this car is truly unique in its construction. Wouldn't it be nice to find some evidence of a body number on the car!??

Posted by: lifeintheslowlane - 09 March 2009 08:23:02
I've watched The Samba topic from day two but recently it's just got repetitive between, should it be fully restored or should it be left as it was found. OK, I was bored so I broke silence and posted a polite, "can't you STFU"...now they posting about whether they sould have the right to voice their opinion.:roll: Looks like I shot myself in the foot.:?

Posted by: 55Kab - 09 March 2009 10:03:13
:lol: :lol: That's the problem with forum's, people think they've got to say something even when there's nothing to say! :wink:

Posted by: lifeintheslowlane - 09 March 2009 10:25:10
Some has just suggested there should be a poll...should he/shouldn't he. FOR PITY'S SAKE NOOOOOOO!

Posted by: pre67vw - 09 March 2009 10:40:46
Maybe we should have a poll, to decide whether or not there should be a poll on the Samba?

Posted by: lifeintheslowlane - 09 March 2009 11:13:34
[quote=pre67vw]Maybe we should have a poll, to decide whether or not there should be a poll on the Samba?[/quote] I was going to suggest...just to make it worthwhile they could poll what colour too.:roll:

Posted by: JD - 09 March 2009 12:19:39
[quote=lifeintheslowlane] OK, I was bored so I broke silence and posted a polite, "can't you STFU"...now they posting about whether they sould have the right to voice their opinion.:roll: [/quote] Is that another AA Milne quote? or was it JM Barrie?:lol:

Posted by: Standard split - 09 March 2009 13:01:46
I think the rear window in what's left of this VW is from a Fiat 500 – yuk:!: If so, there's at least one good reason to lose this car or restore it (which is a bit like restoring a shirt from two halves of a broken button) :? The person responsible for this sheet metal butchery forgot to fit the larger 1965 on Beetle side windows to complete the 'modern look'. The excitement of finding this car would be like being told there's a 1947 Beetle dumped in the local field, followed by the complete disappointment of getting to it to find it has been totally fitted out with 1303 body parts, windows and a golf engine stuck in the back. But then this poor old '38 would have been better off with such a conversion :wink:

Posted by: GKL 7 - 09 March 2009 19:08:50
[quote=lifeintheslowlane] "can't you STFU"...[/quote] X2 They won't stop John,never do. Just want to come on and air their knowledge.....or lack of it:roll: Blah,blah,blah. Like the guys that fall over themselves to point out the non-original parts on a car, while they drive some POS or worse still just lock the car in the garage for 20 years. This sort do it not knowing what a total dick they appear.

Posted by: Standard split - 09 March 2009 19:45:58
[quote][/quote]…worse still just lock the car in the garage for 20 years.[quote][/quote] Why do people do that :?

Posted by: vintagevw - 09 March 2009 20:42:51
[quote=Standard split]…worse still just lock the car in the garage for 20 years. Why do people do that :? [/quote] You will have to ask this question to a lot of people, just to have it I guess. So sad....:cry:

Posted by: Standard split - 10 March 2009 08:41:42
[quote][/quote]just lock the car in the garage for 20 years. This sort do it not knowing what a total dick they appear.[quote][/quote] I think that's a bit harsh:!: If you buy to invest, collect or just to preserve as 'time warp', surely that's the individuals right to what is their property. Some collect stamps, coins, antiques or art while others collect beautiful old Volkswagens or other interesting cars – automobile art. There's no written rule that you have to take your precious 'jewel' onto the road and risk it being knocked about [-x

Posted by: lifeintheslowlane - 10 March 2009 08:55:49
[quote=Standard split]just lock the car in the garage for 20 years. This sort do it not knowing what a total dick they appear. I think that's a bit harsh:!: If you buy to invest, collect or just to preserve as 'time warp', surely that's the individuals right to what is their property. Some collect stamps, coins, antiques or art while others collect beautiful old Volkswagens or other interesting cars – automobile art. There's no written rule that you have to take your precious 'jewel' onto the road and risk it being knocked about [-x [/quote] Anyway...what colour do you think it should be.?

Posted by: pre67vw - 10 March 2009 09:13:14
[quote=Standard split] I think that's a bit harsh:!: If you buy to invest, collect or just to preserve as 'time warp', surely that's the individuals right to what is their property. Some collect stamps, coins, antiques or art while others collect beautiful old Volkswagens or other interesting cars – automobile art. There's no written rule that you have to take your precious 'jewel' onto the road and risk it being knocked about [-x [/quote] I don't think there's anything wrong with collecting and storing away, it's a shame not to enjoy the car out on the road - but thats up to the owner, nobody else. But then to publicly criticize what someone else does with their car on a public forum is more than a little hypocritical! Anyway, it's got to be black 8)

Posted by: Standard split - 10 March 2009 09:34:20
[quote][/quote]Anyway...what colour do you think it should be.?[quote][/quote] I like dark grey myself, but I think it has to be black as it seems the 38's were. Get rid of that awful back window and windscreen as a priority then it'll look only half as bad. Expect a later split window clip can be modified to match the original '5 rib' style. Well that's how I'd start, then looking more like an old VW would give me the incentive to do the real nasty and expensive stuff :wink:

Posted by: lifeintheslowlane - 10 March 2009 10:54:26
[quote=Standard split]Anyway...what colour do you think it should be.? I like dark grey myself, but I think it has to be black as it seems the 38's were. Get rid of that awful back window and windscreen as a priority then it'll look only half as bad. Expect a later split window clip can be modified to match the original '5 rib' style. Well that's how I'd start, then looking more like an old VW would give me the incentive to do the real nasty and expensive stuff :wink: [/quote] Ah BTW...I was joking.

Posted by: Standard split - 10 March 2009 11:45:17
You're not making any sense, quoting me but with no constructive/destructive comments :?

Posted by: usariemen - 10 March 2009 12:14:04
[quote=Standard split] Expect a later split window clip can be modified to match the original '5 rib' style. [/quote] This babe had just two ribs and they are still there.

Posted by: 55Kab - 10 March 2009 12:38:04
Just slam it on earlies and be done with it.....:!: :!: :!: ok, ok, I'll get me hat and coat :lol:

Posted by: Standard split - 10 March 2009 14:51:53
[quote][/quote]This babe had just two ribs and they are still there[quote][/quote] Hmm TWO ribs, maybe its a hoax :shock:

Posted by: lifeintheslowlane - 10 March 2009 16:10:36
[quote=Standard split]You're not making any sense, quoting me but with no constructive/destructive comments :? [/quote] I was joking about running a Poll on what colour...I hate Polls on forums but when you get to my age there are a lot of things you hate.:?

Posted by: JD - 10 March 2009 16:33:20
What about a poll on wether or not you should be allowed to make jokes about a poll about the colour?

Posted by: lifeintheslowlane - 10 March 2009 16:54:34
[quote=JD]What about a poll on wether or not you should be allowed to make jokes about a poll about the colour?[/quote] Thanks James...I needed a reminder that sometimes when you post a STFU...they go on to debate endlessly whether they should STFU or not. Don't bother to ask me to STFU...I have finished on this topic...for today.

Posted by: JD - 10 March 2009 16:57:34
:arrow: :beer: :d

Posted by: GKL 7 - 10 March 2009 18:36:04
[quote=Standard split]just lock the car in the garage for 20 years. This sort do it not knowing what a total dick they appear. I think that's a bit harsh:!: If you buy to invest, collect or just to preserve as 'time warp', surely that's the individuals right to what is their property. Some collect stamps, coins, antiques or art while others collect beautiful old Volkswagens or other interesting cars – automobile art. There's no written rule that you have to take your precious 'jewel' onto the road and risk it being knocked about [-x [/quote] No,wrong again. I was referring to the Dicks that pick a car to pieces for non original parts. Not those that lock their cars away.They are keeping it safe for me to come along later and buy it from them.Just like your '49 John. And what the hell are you doing with that quote key,how come your screens appear different to all others.

Posted by: Standard split - 10 March 2009 19:02:10
[quote='50 Karmann] They are keeping it safe for me to come along later and buy it from them.Just like your '49 John. And what the hell are you doing with that quote key,how come your screens appear different to all others.[/quote] She'll (my '49) put in an appearance one day George 8) At the moment she's rubbing shoulders with a '47 VW and a rather nice '37 Tatra 87. But she knows who's queen :wink: I've got the quote thing okay now :d

Posted by: Sunroof53 - 10 March 2009 20:16:08
[quote=pre67vw] I don't think there's anything wrong with collecting and storing away, it's a shame not to enjoy the car out on the road - but thats up to the owner, nobody else. But then to publicly criticize what someone else does with their car on a public forum is more than a little hypocritical! Anyway, it's got to be black 8) [/quote] Theres lots of reasons why people lock there cars away .When you have invested a lot of time in a car and take it to a show those petty remarks like 'why havnt you changed the rear valence 'and shouldnt it have a 25 hp engine in it' start to get a bit tediuous after a few hours.Despite my acceptance of peoples right to riticise it can get personal and leaves you wishing you had left it at home.

Posted by: GKL 7 - 10 March 2009 20:27:37
[quote=Sunroof53] When you have invested a lot of time in a car and take it to a show those petty remarks like 'why havnt you changed the rear valence 'and shouldnt it have a 25 hp engine in it' [/quote] NOW they are the DICKS i'm talking about. We just have different ways of expressing it.:wink:

Posted by: pre67vw - 10 March 2009 20:36:55
[quote=Sunroof53] Theres lots of reasons why people lock there cars away .When you have invested a lot of time in a car and take it to a show those petty remarks like 'why havnt you changed the rear valence 'and shouldnt it have a 25 hp engine in it' start to get a bit tediuous after a few hours.Despite my acceptance of peoples right to criticise it can get personal and leaves you wishing you had left it at home.[/quote] It's been so long since I've had a VW I could take to a show, that I wouldn't know about any of that :oops: but if people critisise my car too much, I'll just slam it to the floor and then everyone will love it regardless of it's incorrectness :twisted: :lol:

Posted by: 55Kab - 10 March 2009 21:05:33
[quote=pre67vw]but if people critisise my car too much, I'll just slam it to the floor and then everyone will love it regardless of it's incorrectness :twisted: :lol: [/quote] Atta boy Rob, you know it makes sense! :lol: :lol: :beer:

Posted by: stu - 10 March 2009 21:20:55
[quote=55Kab] Atta boy Rob, you know it makes sense! :lol: :lol: :beer: [/quote] dont forget the narrowed beam & air suspension :lol:

Posted by: Chris - 10 March 2009 22:16:59
[quote=lifeintheslowlane] I hate Polls on forums [b]but when you get to my age there are a lot of things you hate.:? [/b][/quote] Like birthdays ? :lol:

Posted by: kdf38 - 11 March 2009 02:15:52
When you get really OLD birthdays are a GOOD thing to have! BTW, I think if you want to preserve the non-VW bits, then make posters showing it or make a replica as it was when it was found, or have a book of the progress photos of the resto'. But by all means, restore the VW as perfectly as it can be. ps Is that colour or color? How about a poll? These polls are taxing! pps I call dibs on/reserve for me the next VW38, VW39, VW30 barn-find that is in good, recognizable condition! [quote=Chris] Like birthdays ? :lol: [/quote]