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Posted by: VW Stan - 15 April 2009 21:30:01
This car's been talked about on here before and has just come up for sale. The hardest part of putting this one right would be getting Nicholas to part with the original seats which are now in his '60 Standard! :wink: [url=https://www.volkszone.co.uk/VZi/showthread.php?t=547209]https://www.volkszone.co.uk/VZi/showthread.php?t=547209[/url] [ATTACH]2868[/Attach]

Posted by: 54 Gertie - 15 April 2009 21:34:11
I saw this on VZi and it pained me to read that he had sold the OG seats! :shock: Waiting for "its too shiney!" :wink: :lol:

Posted by: VW Stan - 15 April 2009 21:41:45
It's a shame that a lot of the parts which make it a 'rare' standard have been removed. I reckon it would have been well worth the asking price if he had left it alone and not messed with it. :roll:

Posted by: Standard split - 15 April 2009 21:58:58
It beggars belief that someone would do this to a Standard model:!: Bad enough to a 1958 DeLuxe:!: These seats are yuk and I hate the wheels, nudge bars and any other non-original items I can't see :twisted: And its too shiny :d [ATTACH]2869[/Attach]

Posted by: Rich Oakley - 15 April 2009 23:40:27
[quote=54 Gertie]I saw this on VZi and it pained me to read that he had sold the OG seats! :shock: [/quote] My fault. They went to a good home though (just ask Nicolas!) :wink:

Posted by: Standard split - 16 April 2009 10:11:15
But this car looks (was) perhaps the most original of the two cars, and it's a real shame that its lost the front seats to the other :cry: Its also a real basic Standard in that it has (had) no frills at all – it does not have a sunroof. Why buy a Standard model for this sort of treatment. It's totally unsuitable with cable brakes and crash box – but I guess these have been replaced as well as all the other Standard features we can see gone :shock: The seller says its a rare model. A 58 Standard is a rare car indeed, but this is no longer a Standard model, it could just as easily now be a modified DeLuxe. He's finished with the car and wants to get rid of it. A lot of vintage VW buffs would love to have bought it before he got hold of it :evil:

Posted by: Standard split - 16 April 2009 10:11:15

But this car looks (was) perhaps the most original of the two cars, and it's a real shame that its lost the front seats to the other :cry: Its also a real basic Standard in that it has (had) no frills at all – it does not have a sunroof. Why buy a Standard model for this sort of treatment. It's totally unsuitable with cable brakes and crash box – but I guess these have been replaced as well as all the other Standard features we can see gone :shock: The seller says its a rare model. A 58 Standard is a rare car indeed, but this is no longer a Standard model, it could just as easily now be a modified DeLuxe. He's finished with the car and wants to get rid of it. A lot of vintage VW buffs would love to have bought it before he got hold of it :evil:

Posted by: 48REME - 16 April 2009 14:43:17
[quote=Standard split]But this car looks (was) perhaps the most original of the two cars, and it's a real shame that its lost the front seats to the other :cry: Its also a real basic Standard in that it has (had) no frills at all – it does not have a sunroof. Why buy a Standard model for this sort of treatment. It's totally unsuitable with cable brakes and crash box – but I guess these have been replaced as well as all the other Standard features we can see gone :shock: The seller says its a rare model. A 58 Standard is a rare car indeed, but this is no longer a Standard model, it could just as easily now be a modified DeLuxe. He's finished with the car and wants to get rid of it. A lot of vintage VW buffs would love to have bought it before he got hold of it :evil: [/quote]

Posted by: 48REME - 16 April 2009 14:43:17

[quote=Standard split]But this car looks (was) perhaps the most original of the two cars, and it's a real shame that its lost the front seats to the other :cry: Its also a real basic Standard in that it has (had) no frills at all – it does not have a sunroof. Why buy a Standard model for this sort of treatment. It's totally unsuitable with cable brakes and crash box – but I guess these have been replaced as well as all the other Standard features we can see gone :shock: The seller says its a rare model. A 58 Standard is a rare car indeed, but this is no longer a Standard model, it could just as easily now be a modified DeLuxe. He's finished with the car and wants to get rid of it. A lot of vintage VW buffs would love to have bought it before he got hold of it :evil: [/quote]

Posted by: 48REME - 16 April 2009 15:03:42
[quote=Standard split]But this car looks (was) perhaps the most original of the two cars, and it's a real shame that its lost the front seats to the other :cry: Its also a real basic Standard in that it has (had) no frills at all – it does not have a sunroof. [/quote] Excuse me John but who the hell are you to decide which of the two cars, this ex-Austrian 58 or my German 59 is the most original of the two when you haven't even seen either of them or know anything about them.:evil: My car happens to be completely original (apart from one front wing) with matching numbers and engine. Being a unique customer-specific model ordered in a Deluxe finish actually made it easy for me to decide which of the two cars was more worthy of having the seats. I'm sorry that this 58 lost its interior but the guy didn't seem to be too bothered as he wanted to upgrade it anyway. I certainly put the pressure on him because I believe it was important to restore the unusual look of my car with otherwise all correct parts and upholstery of the period and type to match. It's not the first time parts from a rare car have been sacrificed to help another one which might happen to be even a little rarer. This said, I don't know why you interfere with this subject in this section since all you keep telling us (over and over and over again for that matter!) is how there is only one valid and unsurpassed model in your eyes anyway, a not-so-shiny standard split window...something we've been reading from you time and time again.:lol: Talking of original cars, I wouldn't say that all your cars excel in this domain, would you? So don't go throwing stones when you're standing in a glass house please...Thank you:wink:

Posted by: 48REME - 16 April 2009 15:03:42

[quote=Standard split]But this car looks (was) perhaps the most original of the two cars, and it's a real shame that its lost the front seats to the other :cry: Its also a real basic Standard in that it has (had) no frills at all – it does not have a sunroof. [/quote] Excuse me John but who the hell are you to decide which of the two cars, this ex-Austrian 58 or my German 59 is the most original of the two when you haven't even seen either of them or know anything about them.:evil: My car happens to be completely original (apart from one front wing) with matching numbers and engine. Being a unique customer-specific model ordered in a Deluxe finish actually made it easy for me to decide which of the two cars was more worthy of having the seats. I'm sorry that this 58 lost its interior but the guy didn't seem to be too bothered as he wanted to upgrade it anyway. I certainly put the pressure on him because I believe it was important to restore the unusual look of my car with otherwise all correct parts and upholstery of the period and type to match. It's not the first time parts from a rare car have been sacrificed to help another one which might happen to be even a little rarer. This said, I don't know why you interfere with this subject in this section since all you keep telling us (over and over and over again for that matter!) is how there is only one valid and unsurpassed model in your eyes anyway, a not-so-shiny standard split window...something we've been reading from you time and time again.:lol: Talking of original cars, I wouldn't say that all your cars excel in this domain, would you? So don't go throwing stones when you're standing in a glass house please...Thank you:wink:

Posted by: Standard split - 16 April 2009 15:13:53
:shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: This is not what this forum is for. I'm signing out :evil:

Posted by: 48REME - 16 April 2009 16:09:07
[quote=Standard split]: This is not what this forum is for. : [/quote] So true... but then again, you should have thought about it before sharing your thoughts.:evil:

Posted by: VW Stan - 16 April 2009 17:08:10
Wouldn't it be nice if someone bought this and put it back to original? :d Nice, but I doubt it will happen! :cry:

Posted by: VW Stan - 16 April 2009 18:11:15
This is how the same standard used to look... [ATTACH]2870[/Attach]

Posted by: 48REME - 16 April 2009 18:12:07
Yes and I think it wouldn't take too much work really. I wonder if the next owner will appreciate its rarity enough to return it to its proper spec.:wink:

Posted by: 54 Gertie - 16 April 2009 18:39:36
All it would really take to make it look stock would be a set of bumpers, proper seats, a 30 horse engine, split case non syncro tranny, proper steel wheels, new braking system, probably new front beam (might be on spindles however!)...... Okay quite a long list but do-able! :d :wink: Oh! and go and break into Nicholas's car and steal the seats! :lol: :beer:

Posted by: harveypj - 16 April 2009 18:45:37
It would probably be pretty much self financing too. Sell all the custom bits to buy the original stuff:d

Posted by: VW Stan - 16 April 2009 18:52:43
Yep, as I said above the hardest bit would be finding some seats. But Euro-cloth std seats do turn up for sale from time to time.

Posted by: 54 Gertie - 16 April 2009 18:55:23
[quote=VW Stan]Yep, as I said above the hardest bit would be finding some seats. But Euro-cloth std seats do turn up for sale from time to time.[/quote] At very worst you could fit deluxe seats with new (standard) covers and use those until you found some correct ones! Just to get it moving! :wink: The rails are already hacked so they should fit! :lol:

Posted by: VW Stan - 16 April 2009 19:10:59
[quote=54 Gertie] At very worst you could fit deluxe seats with new (standard) covers and use those until you found some correct ones! Just to get it moving! :wink: The rails are already hacked so they should fit! :lol: [/quote] You can't get the std spec cloth. That's why Nicholas has the seats from this car! Grey vinyl, like the UK std interiors, would look okay until the right seats turned up.

Posted by: 54 Gertie - 16 April 2009 20:01:24
[quote=VW Stan] You can't get the std spec cloth. That's why Nicholas has the seats from this car! Grey vinyl, like the UK std interiors, would look okay until the right seats turned up.[/quote] Do Himmelservice not do it? :?

Posted by: mrsherbie - 16 April 2009 23:00:17
[quote=Standard split]:shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: This is not what this forum is for. I'm signing out :evil: [/quote] Noo! I dont think what you wrote was bad at all! It [i]is[/i] great the seats went into a perfect car just missing one or 2 odd bits of course, they could so easily have been lost or stripped instead! but I understand your comment also that this cal-looked car was super too before the guy de-original'd it. But he did, and the best outcome of the 2 options happened to the seats! as I am certain you would agree :d The car lasted all those years intact and in the just last 2-3 it came to the uk and got sacrificed at the alter of instant 'cool'. The lack of trim makes standards an ideal candidate for cal- look unfortunately, I am suprised a couple more have'nt gone the same way actually! Anyway I am sure it could be put back easily, but I doubt it will as the majority of the buying public will not understand its special standard value and prefer it in its new look. Something I still dont get after all these years, magazine feature after magazine feature, people tell us how the car featured was incredibly original and intact! one owner low mileage! etc etc blah blah, like they are [i]actually[/i] 'proud' of and truly appreciate these features! but then in the very next paragraph start on about how they then set about fitting a load of modifications, engine, gearbox, modern made beam and suspension, new repro wheels ( hardly difficult to do) etc etc and by the end of the article actually seem proud of the car they have turned it into instead?? I still dont get it. But I guess it just makes the world go round. Starting with a car that needs any level of restoring is one thing, do whatever you like with it!! But, buying a mint original untouched car and then 'touching' it by simply throwing a load of off the shelf aftermarket crap parts at it, does'nt make it a better car it makes it worse. Its just the easy way. And should'nt really be 'rewarded'. Of course not nearly so bad if you do keep all the og parts, but usually they get sold to pay for the made in Taiwan bling bling new parts. Rant over. :lol: standard split, maybe I can knit your car a 'car cosy' to make it smile! :shock: :d [img]https://images12.fotki.com/v236/photos/2/288592/2671831/car1-vi.jpg[/img]

Posted by: mrsherbie - 16 April 2009 23:00:17

[quote=Standard split]:shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: This is not what this forum is for. I'm signing out :evil: [/quote] Noo! I dont think what you wrote was bad at all! It [i]is[/i] great the seats went into a perfect car just missing one or 2 odd bits of course, they could so easily have been lost or stripped instead! but I understand your comment also that this cal-looked car was super too before the guy de-original'd it. But he did, and the best outcome of the 2 options happened to the seats! as I am certain you would agree :d The car lasted all those years intact and in the just last 2-3 it came to the uk and got sacrificed at the alter of instant 'cool'. The lack of trim makes standards an ideal candidate for cal- look unfortunately, I am suprised a couple more have'nt gone the same way actually! Anyway I am sure it could be put back easily, but I doubt it will as the majority of the buying public will not understand its special standard value and prefer it in its new look. Something I still dont get after all these years, magazine feature after magazine feature, people tell us how the car featured was incredibly original and intact! one owner low mileage! etc etc blah blah, like they are [i]actually[/i] 'proud' of and truly appreciate these features! but then in the very next paragraph start on about how they then set about fitting a load of modifications, engine, gearbox, modern made beam and suspension, new repro wheels ( hardly difficult to do) etc etc and by the end of the article actually seem proud of the car they have turned it into instead?? I still dont get it. But I guess it just makes the world go round. Starting with a car that needs any level of restoring is one thing, do whatever you like with it!! But, buying a mint original untouched car and then 'touching' it by simply throwing a load of off the shelf aftermarket crap parts at it, does'nt make it a better car it makes it worse. Its just the easy way. And should'nt really be 'rewarded'. Of course not nearly so bad if you do keep all the og parts, but usually they get sold to pay for the made in Taiwan bling bling new parts. Rant over. :lol: standard split, maybe I can knit your car a 'car cosy' to make it smile! :shock: :d [img]https://images12.fotki.com/v236/photos/2/288592/2671831/car1-vi.jpg[/img]

Posted by: mrsherbie - 16 April 2009 23:02:23
Now I'm in trouble! I just posted a newbie on here!! :shock: :oops: [-x :lol: off topic Rob! extenuating circumstances!!

Posted by: Rach66 - 17 April 2009 02:06:43
[quote=mrsherbie] standard split, maybe I can knit your car a 'car cosy' to make it smile! :shock: :d [img]https://images12.fotki.com/v236/photos/2/288592/2671831/car1-vi.jpg[/img][/quote] Oooooo, I want one! :lol:

Posted by: 48REME - 17 April 2009 12:10:49
...and these are the very seats at the centre of this discussion thread. Yes, it is a shame that the Austrian 58 lost them but that was down to the owner. You simply cannot get this weave of cloth although Himmelservice do a similar one for mid-60s cars. [ATTACH]2873[/Attach]

Posted by: harveypj - 17 April 2009 16:25:26
They are clearly now in safe hands, fully appreciated and cherrished so in my book the best place.

Posted by: 48REME - 17 April 2009 17:01:38
Well I promise to do my best to preserve their life! :wink: This is the nearest stuff you can get from Himmelservice but it's in the beige/brown tones and suits a mid-60s car. [ATTACH]2874[/Attach]

Posted by: harveypj - 17 April 2009 17:14:45
Got any up to date pics of the colour change Nicholas?

Posted by: 48REME - 17 April 2009 17:39:05
'Just got to finish painting the logos on the hubcaps and if the weather holds this weekend, I'll take a few snaps.

Posted by: GKL 7 - 17 April 2009 20:48:18
[quote=48REME] Excuse me John but who the hell are you to decide which of the two cars, this ex-Austrian 58 or my German 59 is the most original of the two when you haven't even seen either of them or know anything about them.:evil: Talking of original cars, I wouldn't say that all your cars excel in this domain, would you? So don't go throwing stones when you're standing in a glass house please...Thank you:wink: [/quote] :lol: :lol: :lol: Did someone see where John went. NCF you suprise me,that's fighting talk:wink:

Posted by: GKL 7 - 17 April 2009 20:48:18

[quote=48REME] Excuse me John but who the hell are you to decide which of the two cars, this ex-Austrian 58 or my German 59 is the most original of the two when you haven't even seen either of them or know anything about them.:evil: Talking of original cars, I wouldn't say that all your cars excel in this domain, would you? So don't go throwing stones when you're standing in a glass house please...Thank you:wink: [/quote] :lol: :lol: :lol: Did someone see where John went. NCF you suprise me,that's fighting talk:wink:

Posted by: Rich Oakley - 17 April 2009 22:16:47
[quote='50 Karmann] :lol: :lol: :lol: Did someone see where John went. NCF you suprise me,that's fighting talk:wink: [/quote] Nicolas is very passionate about his rare car, and quite rightly so in my opinion. :lol: I'll just make sure I don't get on the wrong side of him next time I see him :wink: It is a shame that Mike's car gave up it's seats, but that was Mike's choice and Nicolas' car is all the better for it.

Posted by: Rich Oakley - 17 April 2009 22:16:47

[quote='50 Karmann] :lol: :lol: :lol: Did someone see where John went. NCF you suprise me,that's fighting talk:wink: [/quote] Nicolas is very passionate about his rare car, and quite rightly so in my opinion. :lol: I'll just make sure I don't get on the wrong side of him next time I see him :wink: It is a shame that Mike's car gave up it's seats, but that was Mike's choice and Nicolas' car is all the better for it.

Posted by: mrsherbie - 18 April 2009 17:13:01
A handsome man can get away with murder :lol: and it is because they are both so passionate about the cars that fire sparks! Thats a good thing :d Yes that standard fabric is unusual, we have some odd seats in the other grey deluxe cloth. Interestingly ( but not standard) in the gulf61 we have is another odd fabric that I had not seen before ( O has) I guess its another odd short period fabric too. [img]https://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr94/skippy53/gulf61-fabric.jpg[/img] And Yes, Rach66, dont think I have'nt already tried to work out a pattern to knit a pre67 beetle cover :lol: idea is still on the burner, but maybe I need to try out something smaller first like ... 'moped cover's:shock: [img]https://farm1.static.flickr.com/48/147953803_344b38600f.jpg?v=0[/img] or even smaller, a knitted chinook :shock: [img]https://www.spousebuzz.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/06/25/chinook_005.jpg[/img] sorry, I [i]might[/i] be drifting off topic?! :lol:

Posted by: mrsherbie - 18 April 2009 17:13:01

A handsome man can get away with murder :lol: and it is because they are both so passionate about the cars that fire sparks! Thats a good thing :d Yes that standard fabric is unusual, we have some odd seats in the other grey deluxe cloth. Interestingly ( but not standard) in the gulf61 we have is another odd fabric that I had not seen before ( O has) I guess its another odd short period fabric too. [img]https://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr94/skippy53/gulf61-fabric.jpg[/img] And Yes, Rach66, dont think I have'nt already tried to work out a pattern to knit a pre67 beetle cover :lol: idea is still on the burner, but maybe I need to try out something smaller first like ... 'moped cover's:shock: [img]https://farm1.static.flickr.com/48/147953803_344b38600f.jpg?v=0[/img] or even smaller, a knitted chinook :shock: [img]https://www.spousebuzz.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/06/25/chinook_005.jpg[/img] sorry, I [i]might[/i] be drifting off topic?! :lol:

Posted by: GKL 7 - 18 April 2009 19:23:12
[quote=mrsherbie]A handsome man can get away with murder :lol: [/quote] You obviously mean Nic,'cos i think John is a bit strange looking:lol: :lol: :lol:

Posted by: Rach66 - 19 April 2009 01:09:21
[quote=mrsherbie] And Yes, Rach66, dont think I have'nt already tried to work out a pattern to knit a pre67 beetle cover :lol: idea is still on the burner, but maybe I need to try out something smaller first like ... 'moped cover's:shock: [img]https://farm1.static.flickr.com/48/147953803_344b38600f.jpg?v=0[/img] or even smaller, a knitted chinook :shock: [img]https://www.spousebuzz.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/06/25/chinook_005.jpg[/img] sorry, I [i]might[/i] be drifting off topic?! :lol: [/quote] :lol: When you get them sorted, I'll have one :D

Posted by: Rach66 - 19 April 2009 01:09:21

[quote=mrsherbie] And Yes, Rach66, dont think I have'nt already tried to work out a pattern to knit a pre67 beetle cover :lol: idea is still on the burner, but maybe I need to try out something smaller first like ... 'moped cover's:shock: [img]https://farm1.static.flickr.com/48/147953803_344b38600f.jpg?v=0[/img] or even smaller, a knitted chinook :shock: [img]https://www.spousebuzz.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/06/25/chinook_005.jpg[/img] sorry, I [i]might[/i] be drifting off topic?! :lol: [/quote] :lol: When you get them sorted, I'll have one :D

Posted by: Rach66 - 19 April 2009 01:12:56
Falling out over seats,[-x . I would never condone such behaviour, personally I think..what???...'66 front seats for sale...someones seen them first...let me at them, they better not buy them or there'll be trouble... :twisted: :wink:

Posted by: Standard split - 21 April 2009 21:38:44
I have decided to reply to the response made to my comments made regarding the two Standard models last week. The twisted expression of my Tatra 97 in my avatar gives one an idea of my reaction at the time to NCF's response :!: [quote=48REME] Excuse me John but who the hell are you to decide which of the two cars, this ex-Austrian 58 or my German 59 is the most original of the two when you haven't even seen either of them or know anything about them.:evil: My car happens to be completely original (apart from one front wing) with matching numbers and engine. Being a unique customer-specific model ordered in a Deluxe finish actually made it easy for me to decide which of the two cars was more worthy of having the seats. I'm sorry that this 58 lost its interior but the guy didn't seem to be too bothered as he wanted to upgrade it anyway. I certainly put the pressure on him because I believe it was important to restore the unusual look of my car with otherwise all correct parts and upholstery of the period and type to match. It's not the first time parts from a rare car have been sacrificed to help another one which might happen to be even a little rarer. This said, I don't know why you interfere with this subject in this section since all you keep telling us (over and over and over again for that matter!) is how there is only one valid and unsurpassed model in your eyes anyway, a not-so-shiny standard split window...something we've been reading from you time and time again.:lol: Talking of original cars, I wouldn't say that all your cars excel in this domain, would you? So don't go throwing stones when you're standing in a glass house please...Thank you[/quote] Nicolas, no one would argue that you have a nice car. We're all Beetle lovers one would think. However, if you place it on a forum as you do to attract comments about it, you have to expect criticism as well, because it may not be everybody’s ideal car. It isn’t mine, because as YOU made perfectly clear above I think a 40’s – 60’s Standard should not have today’s shiny paint finish, yes, and I prefer a split-rear window. As you can see below, I said that the other car was PERHAPS (not is) the most original of the two. I do still think the other car is (was) more desireable than yours as it’s a real basic Standard without a sunroof, which is an item more in place on a De Luxe (IN MY OPINION). I also find sunroofs spoil the classic lines of early Beetles, again my opinion. [quote ME] But this car looks (was) perhaps the most original of the two cars, and it's a real shame that its lost the front seats to the other It’s also a real basic Standard in that it has (had) no frills at all – it does not have a sunroof. [quote] However, whatever I think of a car does not give you the right to tell me which thread I can patricipate in and I quote you – “I don't know why you interfere with this subject in this section”. Also. I find the tone in you comment is unacceptable. You proceed to launch a mild attack on my cars, some of which you have not seen, not even in a picture. I am not so sensitive about my cars (look at the horrors going-on in the world), although to me they are great and the result of a lifetime’s collecting, but if someone thinks they’re junk, then that is their opinion, to which they are entitled to of course. But I repeat, you do have a nice car, although its not of the type I would buy myself. It's odd that a person reacts in such a way as you did over a comment made about their car which thay have placed on a forum for comment in the first place :?: [quote=48REME] So true... but then again, you should have thought about it before sharing your thoughts.:evil: [/quote] The forum is there for people to share their thoughts Nicolas – don’t place your car on it if you do not want comments :!: [quote=mrsherbie] Noo! I dont think what you wrote was bad at all! standard split, maybe I can knit your car a 'car cosy' to make it smile! [/quote] Mrsherbie – that made me smile! :d [quote=Rich Oakley] Nicolas is very passionate about his rare car, and quite rightly so in my opinion. :lol: I'll just make sure I don't get on the wrong side of him next time I see him :wink:[/quote] So it's okay for him to take a swipe at other people’s cars that they may be passionate about :?: [quote=mrsherbie]A handsome man can get away with murder :lol: and it is because they are both so passionate about the cars that fire sparks! Thats a good thing :d [/quote] [quote='50 Karmann] You obviously mean Nic,'cos i think John is a bit strange looking:lol: :lol: :lol: [/quote] You’re no oil painting George [-x

Posted by: Standard split - 21 April 2009 21:38:44

I have decided to reply to the response made to my comments made regarding the two Standard models last week. The twisted expression of my Tatra 97 in my avatar gives one an idea of my reaction at the time to NCF's response :!: [quote=48REME] Excuse me John but who the hell are you to decide which of the two cars, this ex-Austrian 58 or my German 59 is the most original of the two when you haven't even seen either of them or know anything about them.:evil: My car happens to be completely original (apart from one front wing) with matching numbers and engine. Being a unique customer-specific model ordered in a Deluxe finish actually made it easy for me to decide which of the two cars was more worthy of having the seats. I'm sorry that this 58 lost its interior but the guy didn't seem to be too bothered as he wanted to upgrade it anyway. I certainly put the pressure on him because I believe it was important to restore the unusual look of my car with otherwise all correct parts and upholstery of the period and type to match. It's not the first time parts from a rare car have been sacrificed to help another one which might happen to be even a little rarer. This said, I don't know why you interfere with this subject in this section since all you keep telling us (over and over and over again for that matter!) is how there is only one valid and unsurpassed model in your eyes anyway, a not-so-shiny standard split window...something we've been reading from you time and time again.:lol: Talking of original cars, I wouldn't say that all your cars excel in this domain, would you? So don't go throwing stones when you're standing in a glass house please...Thank you[/quote] Nicolas, no one would argue that you have a nice car. We're all Beetle lovers one would think. However, if you place it on a forum as you do to attract comments about it, you have to expect criticism as well, because it may not be everybody’s ideal car. It isn’t mine, because as YOU made perfectly clear above I think a 40’s – 60’s Standard should not have today’s shiny paint finish, yes, and I prefer a split-rear window. As you can see below, I said that the other car was PERHAPS (not is) the most original of the two. I do still think the other car is (was) more desireable than yours as it’s a real basic Standard without a sunroof, which is an item more in place on a De Luxe (IN MY OPINION). I also find sunroofs spoil the classic lines of early Beetles, again my opinion. [quote ME] But this car looks (was) perhaps the most original of the two cars, and it's a real shame that its lost the front seats to the other It’s also a real basic Standard in that it has (had) no frills at all – it does not have a sunroof. [quote] However, whatever I think of a car does not give you the right to tell me which thread I can patricipate in and I quote you – “I don't know why you interfere with this subject in this section”. Also. I find the tone in you comment is unacceptable. You proceed to launch a mild attack on my cars, some of which you have not seen, not even in a picture. I am not so sensitive about my cars (look at the horrors going-on in the world), although to me they are great and the result of a lifetime’s collecting, but if someone thinks they’re junk, then that is their opinion, to which they are entitled to of course. But I repeat, you do have a nice car, although its not of the type I would buy myself. It's odd that a person reacts in such a way as you did over a comment made about their car which thay have placed on a forum for comment in the first place :?: [quote=48REME] So true... but then again, you should have thought about it before sharing your thoughts.:evil: [/quote] The forum is there for people to share their thoughts Nicolas – don’t place your car on it if you do not want comments :!: [quote=mrsherbie] Noo! I dont think what you wrote was bad at all! standard split, maybe I can knit your car a 'car cosy' to make it smile! [/quote] Mrsherbie – that made me smile! :d [quote=Rich Oakley] Nicolas is very passionate about his rare car, and quite rightly so in my opinion. :lol: I'll just make sure I don't get on the wrong side of him next time I see him :wink:[/quote] So it's okay for him to take a swipe at other people’s cars that they may be passionate about :?: [quote=mrsherbie]A handsome man can get away with murder :lol: and it is because they are both so passionate about the cars that fire sparks! Thats a good thing :d [/quote] [quote='50 Karmann] You obviously mean Nic,'cos i think John is a bit strange looking:lol: :lol: :lol: [/quote] You’re no oil painting George [-x

Posted by: pre67vw - 21 April 2009 22:17:14
How odd that someone buying seats from someone else who clearly didn't want them anymore would spark such an argument, I can't help feeling that there's some unresolved history thats getting aired here - and if thats the case then this isn't the place [-x

Posted by: 48REME - 22 April 2009 13:26:10
Look John, I'm not out at war here and I'm not interested in pursuing this feud. I am not bothered by what you think of my car since I know its worth and limits and that's good enough for me. However you are bound to attract criticism when making sweeping statements about vehicles you have never seen in the flesh. It's your attitude that gets me and as I mentioned before, your consistent need to tell us that nothing which isn't Standard, has a shiny finish and an enlarged front windscreen is to your liking. Quite frankly...who cares? It really isn't very interesting to anybody in this forum. It's your taste and I'm very happy for you. That's why I thought there was no need for you to get involved in this thread since we are dealing with models you're not so keen on anyway. I don't always like every car discussed on this forum but it certainly isn't my right to go stating this since it would be a bit tactless and irrelevant to other readers anyway. You have all the models you ever dreamed of and I have mine, that's what matters. So why not leave it at that and put a smile on your face as the sun is shining, ok?:wink:

Posted by: 48REME - 22 April 2009 13:26:10

Look John, I'm not out at war here and I'm not interested in pursuing this feud. I am not bothered by what you think of my car since I know its worth and limits and that's good enough for me. However you are bound to attract criticism when making sweeping statements about vehicles you have never seen in the flesh. It's your attitude that gets me and as I mentioned before, your consistent need to tell us that nothing which isn't Standard, has a shiny finish and an enlarged front windscreen is to your liking. Quite frankly...who cares? It really isn't very interesting to anybody in this forum. It's your taste and I'm very happy for you. That's why I thought there was no need for you to get involved in this thread since we are dealing with models you're not so keen on anyway. I don't always like every car discussed on this forum but it certainly isn't my right to go stating this since it would be a bit tactless and irrelevant to other readers anyway. You have all the models you ever dreamed of and I have mine, that's what matters. So why not leave it at that and put a smile on your face as the sun is shining, ok?:wink:

Posted by: topolino - 22 April 2009 15:20:46
i like everything and everybody i am a good boy.:lol:

Posted by: Standard split - 22 April 2009 15:41:33
[quote=48REME]Look John, I'm not out at war here and I'm not interested in pursuing this feud. I am not bothered by what you think of my car since I know its worth and limits and that's good enough for me. However you are bound to attract criticism when making sweeping statements about vehicles you have never seen in the flesh. It's your attitude that gets me and as I mentioned before, your consistent need to tell us that nothing which isn't Standard, has a shiny finish and an enlarged front windscreen is to your liking. Quite frankly...who cares? It really isn't very interesting to anybody in this forum. It's your taste and I'm very happy for you. That's why I thought there was no need for you to get involved in this thread since we are dealing with models you're not so keen on anyway. I don't always like every car discussed on this forum but it certainly isn't my right to go stating this since it would be a bit tactless and irrelevant to other readers anyway. You have all the models you ever dreamed of and I have mine, that's what matters. So why not leave it at that and put a smile on your face as the sun is shining, ok?:wink: [/quote] There is no feud Nicolas, what are you on about? I love all Beetles, even my 1972 1300 (sorry Rob, shouldn't have mentioned that :oops:) therefore my interest and knowledge spans the whole period 1938 – 2003 and so I look into all this forum's threads. I didn't realise that as a Split-window enthusiast I had to stay in the pre '53 section:!: Other cars have come in for comments of both praise and criticism on this forum. It's a forum for heaven's sake, that's what forums do. I don't know of any of these other owners responding in such a manner as you Nicolas. I think it is a little unhealthy to become so obsessive and defensive about what is after all an inanimate object. The upshot is that I made a comment on a thread discussing your car and the Standard that has been mucked-about with. I felt that the other Standard was a particularly nice car before being customised, and more in keeping with the Standard ethos in that it has no frills whatsoever – it does not have a sunroof. Am I not allowed to say that the larger windscreen from late '57 on spoils the lovely curvy shape of an old Beetle, or that a sunroof spoils the curves too. Other people may be interested in these comments as they may be new to the scene, and for instance may be considering buying an early VW and had not realised or considered these points. You'd be surprised how many 'newbies' do not know of the windscreen enlargement in 1957. I have also said I have a preference for pre Aug '55 Ovals as those built after that do not have the old-style ribbed doors. Am I not allowed to mention this because as you say, and I quote you 'It really isn't very interesting to anybody in this forum'. A person considering buying an Oval may not know of this, (and I've met many that don't), and this new knowledge could help the decide between 2 or 3 cars on offer. That's what a forum is for – sharing knowledge and advice :d A car is at the end of the day a piece of sheet metal, we love our Beetles but they are not as important as the people that cherish them. So, please, please. please, don't plaster your car all over the forum you don't want comments and criticism :wink: You must have seen Rob's comment above, I suggest you take heed of it because you'll get us both banned if you carry on. My avatar is starting to look more like a bull-dog chewing a wasp than a car :twisted:

Posted by: Standard split - 22 April 2009 15:41:33

[quote=48REME]Look John, I'm not out at war here and I'm not interested in pursuing this feud. I am not bothered by what you think of my car since I know its worth and limits and that's good enough for me. However you are bound to attract criticism when making sweeping statements about vehicles you have never seen in the flesh. It's your attitude that gets me and as I mentioned before, your consistent need to tell us that nothing which isn't Standard, has a shiny finish and an enlarged front windscreen is to your liking. Quite frankly...who cares? It really isn't very interesting to anybody in this forum. It's your taste and I'm very happy for you. That's why I thought there was no need for you to get involved in this thread since we are dealing with models you're not so keen on anyway. I don't always like every car discussed on this forum but it certainly isn't my right to go stating this since it would be a bit tactless and irrelevant to other readers anyway. You have all the models you ever dreamed of and I have mine, that's what matters. So why not leave it at that and put a smile on your face as the sun is shining, ok?:wink: [/quote] There is no feud Nicolas, what are you on about? I love all Beetles, even my 1972 1300 (sorry Rob, shouldn't have mentioned that :oops:) therefore my interest and knowledge spans the whole period 1938 – 2003 and so I look into all this forum's threads. I didn't realise that as a Split-window enthusiast I had to stay in the pre '53 section:!: Other cars have come in for comments of both praise and criticism on this forum. It's a forum for heaven's sake, that's what forums do. I don't know of any of these other owners responding in such a manner as you Nicolas. I think it is a little unhealthy to become so obsessive and defensive about what is after all an inanimate object. The upshot is that I made a comment on a thread discussing your car and the Standard that has been mucked-about with. I felt that the other Standard was a particularly nice car before being customised, and more in keeping with the Standard ethos in that it has no frills whatsoever – it does not have a sunroof. Am I not allowed to say that the larger windscreen from late '57 on spoils the lovely curvy shape of an old Beetle, or that a sunroof spoils the curves too. Other people may be interested in these comments as they may be new to the scene, and for instance may be considering buying an early VW and had not realised or considered these points. You'd be surprised how many 'newbies' do not know of the windscreen enlargement in 1957. I have also said I have a preference for pre Aug '55 Ovals as those built after that do not have the old-style ribbed doors. Am I not allowed to mention this because as you say, and I quote you 'It really isn't very interesting to anybody in this forum'. A person considering buying an Oval may not know of this, (and I've met many that don't), and this new knowledge could help the decide between 2 or 3 cars on offer. That's what a forum is for – sharing knowledge and advice :d A car is at the end of the day a piece of sheet metal, we love our Beetles but they are not as important as the people that cherish them. So, please, please. please, don't plaster your car all over the forum you don't want comments and criticism :wink: You must have seen Rob's comment above, I suggest you take heed of it because you'll get us both banned if you carry on. My avatar is starting to look more like a bull-dog chewing a wasp than a car :twisted:

Posted by: 48REME - 22 April 2009 16:35:21
I really think you don't understand what I have written so why don't you read carefully and stop digging yourself deeper into this mess...just drop it and move on... This is the last time I'll write about this so please give it a rest too!:d

Posted by: Standard split - 22 April 2009 17:56:15
I read you comments very carefully, Nicolas. My response is based on careful reading. I have tried to be pleasant and reasonable, even humorous in my comments :roll: You have worn me down, almost to tears :cry: Only others perhaps can read through your writings and make sense of it.

Posted by: VW Stan - 22 April 2009 18:19:36
If you cant behave, I think you should both go to your rooms. :wink: I think we can all agree that: 1. Both these LHD big-window standards were once very nice/original. 2. Nic's was the wrong colour but now that's been put right. 3. Nic's car is now far too shiny for John's liking. 4. It would have been nice if the grey one had remained stock. 5. It would have been nice if the owner had kept all the bits to put it back to stock. 6. It's great that Nic managed to acquire the seats before they went in the skip. :roll: :d

Posted by: VW Stan - 22 April 2009 18:19:36

If you cant behave, I think you should both go to your rooms. :wink: I think we can all agree that: 1. Both these LHD big-window standards were once very nice/original. 2. Nic's was the wrong colour but now that's been put right. 3. Nic's car is now far too shiny for John's liking. 4. It would have been nice if the grey one had remained stock. 5. It would have been nice if the owner had kept all the bits to put it back to stock. 6. It's great that Nic managed to acquire the seats before they went in the skip. :roll: :d

Posted by: pre67vw - 22 April 2009 18:20:36
Enough already, lets all just shake hands and be friends...

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