A link to a german TV program featuring the grundman museum.Cant understand a word she is saying but it looks good :wink:
https://www.swr.de/startklar/rueckschau/-/id=5159202/did=7065582/pv=video/nid=5159202/rzrone/index.html
Posted by: 55Kab - 28 October 2010 08:20:17
Great little programme. Such a nice collection. 8)
Sorry ,i didnt realise it was already posted here .
Posted by: zelensis61 - 29 October 2010 20:05:42
no problem, better twice dan none.:lol:
Posted by: Ovaltine - 30 October 2010 13:39:44
Why was the woman paying so much attention to the 1303 - did I miss a point:?
Nice to see that the VW38 has now been completely lost into a repro :evil:
Posted by: JD - 31 October 2010 21:47:03
[quote=Ovaltine]Why was the woman paying so much attention to the 1303 - did I miss a point:?
The 03 belonged to a German actor.
[quote=Ovaltine]Nice to see that the VW38 has now been completely lost into a repro :evil: [/quote]
There you go yet again. Nothing nice to say, nothing helpful. Not one damn time that I can remember! Why don´t you post a picture of your car? Or answer a question when someone asks one? Or do a how to? Don´t just sit there slating everyone you can, trying to bait people just to get a response, simply because you crave the attention - thats something that most people manage to leave behind after the age of about twelve.
So what if bits of the 38 are new? It´ll still be the most original 38 that there is. Better than being lost at the bottom of someones garden in a corner of Lithuania.
Posted by: 54 Gertie - 31 October 2010 22:31:57
[quote=Ovaltine]
Nice to see that the VW38 has now been completely lost into a repro :evil: [/quote]
:lol:
Christ, nobody can do anything right when your about, can they?
They could have had it shot blasted, and painted to preserve it, and left the remains in a glass case never to leave the museum. I'm far more excited by what they've done, are you not at all in awe of the time and craftsmanship put into it?
There is still a lot of '38 metal there, they really have spent ages meticulously saving old bent and rusty metal that on any other restoration would have simply been chopped out and replaced.
There, I bit.
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That film gives me second thoughts!!:shock:
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Posted by: heb623 - 02 November 2010 07:20:32
:shock: ?
German ingenuity??? Not for me!
The people who did this know what it is!!!
Anyway it's [b]NOT[/b] a good idea to pull something out with the 38!!!
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Posted by: GKL 7 - 02 November 2010 12:57:27
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I hear you Brother,that is so wrong.
Posted by: 54 Gertie - 02 November 2010 16:44:50
I'm clearly missing something here, that looks to be an 'early' car with what I guess is a home-made battery strap? On the wrong side of the car?
:?
Posted by: GKL 7 - 02 November 2010 20:06:11
You miss a lot of things Will:wink:
Posted by: 54 Gertie - 02 November 2010 20:15:13
[quote='50 Karmann]You miss a lot of things Will:wink: [/quote]
Helpful. :lol:
Posted by: GKL 7 - 02 November 2010 20:17:55
[quote=54 Gertie]Helpful. :lol: [/quote]
I'm saying nothing,treading on eggshells,sensitive situation.
Posted by: heb623 - 02 November 2010 20:55:39
[quote='50 Karmann]I'm saying nothing,treading on eggshells,sensitive situation.
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"Very sensetive!"
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Posted by: vintagebug - 02 November 2010 21:09:17
[quote=heb623]"Very sensetive!"
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Yep, it certainly is... :shock:
Posted by: Ovaltine - 05 November 2010 09:16:22
[quote=54 Gertie]:lol:
Christ, nobody can do anything right when your about, can they?....[/quote]
[quote=JD]There you go yet again. Nothing nice to say, nothing helpful. Not one damn time that I can remember! Why don´t you post a picture of your car? Or answer a question when someone asks one? Or do a how to? Don´t just sit there slating everyone you can, trying to bait people just to get a response, simply because you crave the attention - thats something that most people manage to leave behind after the age of about twelve..... [/quote]
Hey come on what was so wrong with my post (shown again below):?:
I ask a question and make a comment on a car. I suggest you see the administrators comments under pre53 Ivan's thread car about making stirring remarks :wink:
[quote=Ovaltine]Why was the woman paying so much attention to the 1303 - did I miss a point:?
Nice to see that the VW38 has now been completely lost into a repro :evil: [/quote]
Posted by: pre67vw - 05 November 2010 09:36:28
[quote=Ovaltine]Hey come on what was so wrong with my post (shown again below):?:
I ask a question and make a comment on a car. I suggest you see the administrators comments under pre53 Ivan's thread car about making stirring remarks :wink:
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[quote=Ovaltine]
Why was the woman paying so much attention to the 1303 - did I miss a point
Nice to see that the VW38 has now been completely lost into a repro [/quote]
I don't speak German, so I can't tell you about the 1303 - I assume you don't either so if not then yes you probably did miss the point. I can tell you that the Grundmann museum is amazing and full of some extremely rare/important stuff, so it must be there for a reason.
You obviously have your views on the VW38 being restored, I can see both sides of the argument - but the craftsmanship that has gone into that resto is amazing.
Posted by: JD - 05 November 2010 09:40:27
The 03 belonged to a German actor that you won´t have heard of - Götz George.
And if you genuinely can´t see how belittling it is to dismiss the Grundmanns work on that car as you did, then I can´t help you.
Posted by: Ovaltine - 06 November 2010 12:35:05
[quote=JD]...And if you genuinely can´t see how belittling it is to dismiss the Grundmanns work on that car as you did, then I can´t help you.[/quote]
I've no doubt about the Grundman's skills.
But the very important historically VW38 would have been far better preserved as found in an environmentally controlled glass case. In fact, the car should have been purchased by the government for a national museum – its far too important to Germany's motoring history to have been 'restored' into a private collection. The Grundmann's could still build their replica VW38 as most everything they've used including the chassis has nothing to do with the particular car found. They've done a fantastic job, but they've lost the original car now.:wink:
Posted by: fantakid - 06 November 2010 13:00:15
Hi Ovaltine,
because of the thoughts like yours - most rare cars wich are shown on hight class shows or museum ( i mean Mercedes, Audi race car,Horch,... ) are not shown befor or during the restauration.
I know of very know cars were was just the chassis or the engine and now there are komplett cars.
If you take the 38 from the Autostadt - the car was restaured in the 50 by useing an new Split body - today from 38 on the car is only orginal the back window, the back hodd and the dash board.
On our 38 we could use the orginal doors ( only known in the world ) the roof, the back sides, the back hood , half of the front hood.
I found an orginal chassis from 38 and a lot orginal 38 parts and you say it is a copy ? Come on - so most split and hebs are copy or what ?
Almost all restored car have not the orginal fenders, doors floor pans ,... they were all changed during their normal lifes or during their restauration - so these cars are also not orginal anymore ?
I now understand the top restauration companys that just show the cars after restauration - I think i will not post anymore pics of our next car that we will restaure ( we will now start at our 128 schwimmer wich is the oldest in the world and is also a prototyp )I thought that the people can learn that everything can be reatured and have fun with the pics. - but i most be wrong.
Christian
Posted by: GKL 7 - 06 November 2010 13:42:38
Christian
How embarrassing this person Ovaltine is.
You do not have to justify any of the excellent work you,your family and friends are doing in our hobby.
Please continue to give us information and pictures relating to your latest work.It is only the one person here that does not appreciate the hard work and dedication you all show.
Thankyou for the hours of pleasure that the Grundmann family have given us all,between your restorations,collection and the excellent shows organised at Hessich Oldendorf.
Posted by: heb623 - 06 November 2010 14:07:03
[quote='50 Karmann]Christian
How embarrassing this person Ovaltine is.
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George,
Is that "Ovaltine" a perfect example of what you call, he is a "pain in the ass"?:?
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Btw on pic below the protype of a swhwimm!!!!:lol: :lol: :lol: [ATTACH]5023[/Attach]
Posted by: Ovaltine - 06 November 2010 15:38:31
[quote=fantakid]Hi Ovaltine,
because of the thoughts like yours - most rare cars wich are shown on hight class shows or museum ( i mean Mercedes, Audi race car,Horch,... ) are not shown befor or during the restauration.
I know of very know cars were was just the chassis or the engine and now there are komplett cars.
If you take the 38 from the Autostadt - the car was restaured in the 50 by useing an new Split body - today from 38 on the car is only orginal the back window, the back hodd and the dash board.
On our 38 we could use the orginal doors ( only known in the world ) the roof, the back sides, the back hood , half of the front hood.
I found an orginal chassis from 38 and a lot orginal 38 parts and you say it is a copy ? Come on - so most split and hebs are copy or what ?
Almost all restored car have not the orginal fenders, doors floor pans ,... they were all changed during their normal lifes or during their restauration - so these cars are also not orginal anymore ?
I now understand the top restauration companys that just show the cars after restauration - I think i will not post anymore pics of our next car that we will restaure ( we will now start at our 128 schwimmer wich is the oldest in the world and is also a prototyp )I thought that the people can learn that everything can be reatured and have fun with the pics. - but i most be wrong.
Christian[/quote]
Hi Christian,
Your work is fantastic. We all have different ideas on our hobby, and I'd prefered to keep the original as found, displayed with a masterpiece of your as to how it should look. I certainly would hope that you keep us informed of you excellent projects :wink:
Posted by: JD - 06 November 2010 15:49:45
[quote=Ovaltine]I've no doubt about the Grundman's skills.
But the very important historically VW38 would have been far better preserved as found in an environmentally controlled glass case. They've done a fantastic job, but they've lost the original car now.:wink:
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The only parts lost from the car were lost many, many years ago when it was hacked onto the Volga chassis. The current restoration hasn´t lost anything that wasn´t thrown away back then, so whats the problem?
What good does it do anyone stuck in a case with half an old Soviet era banger welded onto it? Hardly a model of originality and totally un-representative of how the car was ever intended to appear. Who are you to decide to arbitrarily end the history of this car by putting it in a box and drawing a line under it? What you apparently think of as the originality of the car was lost a long time ago, and nothing anyone car do can bring that back. I´m surprised you have any interest in anything that doesn´t still have it´s original paint, engine, tyres and first petrol in the tank.
Posted by: GKL 7 - 06 November 2010 17:56:53
[quote=heb623]
Is that "Ovaltine" a perfect example of what you call, he is a "pain in the ass"?:?
[/quote]
No E.T
I'm afraid Ovaltine is a lot worse than that.
Posted by: pre67vw - 06 November 2010 19:35:31
[quote=JD]The only parts lost from the car were lost many, many years ago when it was hacked onto the Volga chassis. The current restoration hasn´t lost anything that wasn´t thrown away back then, so whats the problem?
What good does it do anyone stuck in a case with half an old Soviet era banger welded onto it? Hardly a model of originality and totally un-representative of how the car was ever intended to appear.[/quote]
That's the best argument I've heard to support the restoration,I agree 100%
To Ovaltine - I really don't get why you continue to do this, the VW38 is in the worlds best possible hands - even VW themselves wouldn't be able to restore it this well and they certainly wouldn't have kept it as it was found. You are losing respect of everyone on the site faster than the VW38 is getting restored, please don't share your opinion with us any further Ive had enough now. Take a break, lurk for a while and maybe come back when you have a more positive attitude. Thanks.
Posted by: 55Kab - 07 November 2010 06:38:31
I'm just glad Christian you haven't let on about the lowered beam and Fuch yet :wink: :lol:
Posted by: 55Kab - 07 November 2010 06:45:52
[quote=Ovaltine]but they've lost the original car now.:wink:
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The original car was lost years ago which is obvious from how it was found and seeing as everything that was original when found is being used in the rebuild then from my perspective rebuilding it is the best and only way forward, especially given the unbelievably rare parts and old school skills being lavished upon it.
To the whole HO gang...keep up the good work and look forward to seeing it at BC next year. :beer:
Posted by: Rich Oakley - 07 November 2010 12:08:18
Just out of interest and slightly off-topic, but I'm intrigued- Who is Ovaltine? Does anybody know her? Are there any pics of her car on the forum?
Cheers,
Rich.
Posted by: JD - 07 November 2010 12:31:04
[quote=Rich Oakley]Just out of interest and slightly off-topic, but I'm intrigued- Who is Ovaltine? Does anybody know her? Are there any pics of her car on the forum?
Cheers,
Rich.[/quote]
Ovaltine is female?
Posted by: GKL 7 - 07 November 2010 15:44:42
[quote=Rich Oakley] Who is Ovaltine? [/quote]
SSSHH!!! Let sleeping dogs lie.
Rich you need to free some PM room,you're full up.
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Posted by: Rich Oakley - 07 November 2010 19:26:54
[quote='50 Karmann]
Rich you need to free some PM room,you're full up.
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Done!
Posted by: mrsherbie - 08 November 2010 13:56:45
Behave you lot Ovaltine is obviously not a woman.
(Or are you suggesting there are more like me? :shock: (that even frightens me :lol: )
Love the film :beer:
Personally none of the 'opinions' about the car interest me. Neither now nor when the topic was flogged to death on the samba.
Its not my car.
I just know that amongst everyone I know, there was a collective sigh of relief when its new home was announced. [i]Far[/i] safer than ending up in vw's hands.
Being a star in the Grundmanns collection? or bought & restored by wrong people?, or...left to rot in a field?...hmm thats a toughy! (NOT!)
Posted by: 69project - 11 November 2010 19:29:02
ovaltines very own words....
There's no attempt by me to 'stir it up', a few people here seem unable to take criticism. I love my old Bug, but its a 1970 and a scruffy one at that, its certainly far from perfect
enough said really
Posted by: pre67vw - 12 November 2010 09:35:29
[quote=69project]ovaltines very own words....
There's no attempt by me to 'stir it up', a few people here seem unable to take criticism. I love my old Bug, but its a 1970 and a scruffy one at that, its certainly far from perfect
enough said really[/quote]
I never thought I'd be sticking up for Ovaltine, but is this comment really fair? There's nothing wrong with having and loving a scruffy '70.
Posted by: lifeintheslowlane - 12 November 2010 09:44:15
Personally despite thinking "Ovaltine" is wrong in thinking the '38 should have been left as it was found, I also think the villification of his opinion is over the top.
In isolation it's just an opinion and I think if it have been voiced 18 months ago on The Samba people would have discussed it a little more rationally...but that was when it was sitting in the weeds. The fact that by now everybody is thoroughly sick of the argument and that the decision to restored has long been accepted, hasn't helped.
Also what hasn't helped is the guy's apparent negative attitude generally so perhaps he's a grumpy old man like me.
Come on...lighten up...it's just another opinion, I can't wait for his next grumpy outburst.:d
Posted by: Ovaltine - 12 November 2010 12:53:50
[quote=pre67vw]To Ovaltine - I really don't get why you continue to do this, the VW38 is in the worlds best possible hands - even VW themselves wouldn't be able to restore it this well and they certainly wouldn't have kept it as it was found. You are losing respect of everyone on the site faster than the VW38 is getting restored, please don't share your opinion with us any further Ive had enough now. Take a break, lurk for a while and maybe come back when you have a more positive attitude. Thanks.[/quote]
Well, firstly thanks for a being polite pre67vw, which is nice on a forum. Maybe I'm a little direct with my comments, but having said that they are views on a subject and part of discussion for the forum, which is surely what its for:? I do not post crude remarks (not intentionally) or bad language, but I will bear in mind your comments when posting in future. I also remember that this site is all down to your time and hard work, and I certainly respect that and enjoy the privilege of using it:beer:
As far as the Grundman's VW38 is concerned, not everyone else here has considered the reconstruction to be the best way. Standard split,48RME and I think a couple of others expressed the same view on an earlier discussion about it and much the same response came back :
[quote=fantakid]Hello Standard split,
it is funny that you call our 38 an replica - so you have no idea what is orginal on the 38 from the factory and the hitler cab.
Our 38 has an orginal chassis from a 38, the ONLY orgianl doors from 38 , the back decklit, half the front lit, the complet roof, the complet back out and insides, on orginal steering wheel, an engine from 1939 a gearbox from 38,back orginal 38 bumper,... and so this car is a replica ?
The factory 38 was "restaured " about 1950 by useing a NOS split - so they took the orginal back window , the back lid and the orginal 38 dash and put it in the NOS body.[/quote]
In contrast to the politeness from our administrator, I have to contend with horrid remarks from this person:[-x
[quote='50 Karmann]...like yourself, he is an annoying idiot.[/quote]
Posted by: Ovaltine - 12 November 2010 12:58:24
[quote=69project]ovaltines very own words....
...I love my old Bug, but its a 1970 and a scruffy one at that, its certainly far from perfect
enough said really[/quote]
Its mine and I love it, and I've kept it for rather longer than 5 minutes, and not lowered either:wink:
[quote=pre67vw]I never thought I'd be sticking up for Ovaltine, but is this comment really fair? There's nothing wrong with having and loving a scruffy '70.[/quote]
Well, thanks again :beer:
Posted by: Ovaltine - 12 November 2010 13:06:13
[quote=lifeintheslowlane]....Also what hasn't helped is the guy's apparent negative attitude generally so perhaps he's a grumpy old man like me.
Come on...lighten up...it's just another opinion, I can't wait for his next grumpy outburst.:d [/quote]
Good grief, just how did you arrive at that:shock:
But anyway, thanks, I'm glad someone looks forward to my efforts8)
Posted by: GKL 7 - 12 November 2010 19:32:36
[quote=Ovaltine] I have to contend with horrid remarks from this person
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Oh!poor little you boo hoo.
Posted by: Ovaltine - 13 November 2010 12:52:47
[quote='50 Karmann]Oh!poor little you boo hoo.
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For heaven's sake, you really are becoming a damn pain, just go away
Posted by: Ovaltine - 13 November 2010 12:57:48
Apologies to everybody else:roll:
Posted by: Ovaltine - 13 November 2010 12:58:55
Last word on the VW38 goes to 48 RME:beer:
[quote=48REME].... I would have liked to see the VW38 left as found, an 'ugly' survivor full of unfortunate yet historic updates, where a few crucial 1938-only details would have still stood out. Once beautifully finished - and I have no doubt it will be painstakingly faultless in its accuracy - you won't be able to tell what's original from what's been remade. It's all debatable but I think I prefer to see the untouched historic evidence stand out, even if there are only fragments of it.[/quote]
Posted by: GKL 7 - 13 November 2010 18:35:54
[quote=pre67vw] Take a break, lurk for a while and maybe come back when you have a more positive attitude. Thanks. [/quote]
Guess those words fell on stoney ground.
I've been here 5 years,you 6 months and you're telling me to go away:?: :?
Posted by: Ovaltine - 16 November 2010 18:42:32
[quote='50 Karmann]I've been here 5 years,you 6 months and you're telling me to go away:?: :?
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And I've driven Beetles since the late 1970's. You don't even seem to have a classic VW :shock:
And why is about half of all my posts immediately followed by one yours:?
Posted by: pre67vw - 16 November 2010 21:31:11
[quote=Ovaltine]
And why is about half of all my posts immediately followed by one yours:? [/quote]
I think because every post you invite some contraversy and George is happy to oblige...
Not difficult is it?:roll:
Posted by: GKL 7 - 16 November 2010 22:50:54
In 1958 i took my first ride in a VW,i was on my way home from maternity hospital:lol:I was 3 days old.It was a 1957 split screen panel van,I grew up with always at least one Volkswagen in the garage,my father had a passion for them.
When i was 16 years old i purchased my first old VW,a 1954 deluxe oval,that was in 1974.
After this i purchased a '52 Standard sunroof,a year later a '53 Zwitter.
Since then i have owned a 1951 deluxe CC split,a '52 deluxe sunroof CC split,a 1947 CCG beetle and lastly a 1950 Karmann Kabriolett.
And i can assure you,you do not own a classic VW either.Not by what you have already told us.
My posts always closely follow yours, because on every occassion you take to your keyboard here, you either insult or offend someone and most of the time the person offended is someone i know,so i am naturally going to stick up for that person,rather than a total offensive stranger,who insists on remaining anonymous.
I have had several e-mails from other members here asking,and i put this far more politely than it was asked of me,who's the idiot???
So Ovaltine,if you want to remain offensive,why hide?Stand by your words.Come out from behind the handle.Identify yourself.Maybe then if it's a recognised name,you may be taken seriously.But i doubt it.
There again, it might all be Bullshit,you know like you coming around to excavate my garden,that didn't happen either did it:roll:
I'm behind you:twisted: :lol:
Posted by: 55Kab - 17 November 2010 06:09:21
Bloody hell ^^^ that's a good story and some serious vintage tin. Have you got a photo of the 54 Oval?
Oh and Ovaltine...I think you'll find that when another special car comes along that takes George's fancy you'll see him in another vintage VW. In fact we're all waiting for that but because the car that George wants doesn't come up very often, we may need to wait a little while... :wink:
Posted by: WayneMcCarthy - 17 November 2010 10:01:56
[quote='50 Karmann]In 1958 i took my first ride in a VW,i was on my way home from maternity hospital:lol:I was 3 days old.It was a 1957 split screen panel van,I grew up with always at least one Volkswagen in the garage,my father had a passion for them.
When i was 16 years old i purchased my first old VW,a 1954 deluxe oval,that was in 1974.
After this i purchased a '52 Standard sunroof,a year later a '53 Zwitter.
Since then i have owned a 1951 deluxe CC split,a '52 deluxe sunroof CC split,a 1947 CCG beetle and lastly a 1950 Karmann Kabriolett.
And i can assure you,you do not own a classic VW either.Not by what you have already told us.
My posts always closely follow yours, because on every occassion you take to your keyboard here, you either insult or offend someone and most of the time the person offended is someone i know,so i am naturally going to stick up for that person,rather than a total offensive stranger,who insists on remaining anonymous.
I have had several e-mails from other members here asking,and i put this far more politely than it was asked of me,who's the idiot???
So Ovaltine,if you want to remain offensive,why hide?Stand by your words.Come out from behind the handle.Identify yourself.Maybe then if it's a recognised name,you may be taken seriously.But i doubt it.
There again, it might all be Bullshit,you know like you coming around to excavate my garden,that didn't happen either did it:roll:
I'm behind you:twisted: :lol:
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Well Said George , You Don't have to Justify your self to Anyboby ! You & Your Car's Speak for Themselve's , It's Great to See Post's from someone as Knowledgeable about VW's as You.
Posted by: mrsherbie - 17 November 2010 10:02:47
[quote=55Kab]
Oh and Ovaltine...I think you'll find that when another special car comes along that takes George's fancy you'll see him in another vintage VW. In fact we're all waiting for that but because the car that George wants doesn't come up very often so we may need to wait a little while... :wink:
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YES he is a fussy old ( in a cool rocking kind of way) fart for sure! :lol:
[quote=pre67vw]I think because every post you invite some contraversy and George is happy to oblige...
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:lol: :lol: True! :lol: and there is some irony as both of you are far more strict regarding stock correctness than most of us, so in some respects have a lot in common :shock: :lol: ( Gawd, I just [i]know[/i] I am going to regret writing this :shock: :lol: )
Posted by: GKL 7 - 17 November 2010 12:02:33
[quote=mrsherbie] so in some respects have a lot in common
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We can always rely on you Anna:roll: :wink:
I heart Mrs Herbie:lol:
Posted by: 48REME - 17 November 2010 16:46:25
[quote=Ovaltine]I've no doubt about the Grundman's skills.
But the very important historically VW38 would have been far better preserved as found in an environmentally controlled glass case. In fact, the car should have been purchased by the government for a national museum – its far too important to Germany's motoring history to have been 'restored' into a private collection. The Grundmann's could still build their replica VW38 as most everything they've used including the chassis has nothing to do with the particular car found. They've done a fantastic job, but they've lost the original car now.:wink:
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I think you'll find a slightly more diplomatic approach to my arguments in so that I'm only expressing a personal impression rather than stating what 'should be' or 'should have' been done by the Grundmann family.
What I said was done with a lot of reserve since it is a sensitive subject; Knowing how much the Grundmann family have poured their heart, knowledge and soul into this project, I am extremely happy that this car ends up in their hands, they deserve to have this amongst their extraordinary collection which we are fortunate enough to enjoy every time there is a show in Hessisch Oldendorf. I have personal views with respect to how the found relic could have initially been handled but if it is going down the route of restoration, then I think that what they are doing is great and no one can do it better.
Again, as with Standard Split, it is the tone of your conversation and sweeping statements about what one should do or not do which is offensive. Compare my original text next to yours, I think you'll see it's quite different even if we may agree on some aspects of the issue.
So please, don't drag me down as your 'pal' to back your comment that has sparked quite some unhappy reactions by the sounds of it. I don't like that sort of thing, thank you very much.
my original remark:
.... I would have liked to see the VW38 left as found, an 'ugly' survivor full of unfortunate yet historic updates, where a few crucial 1938-only details would have still stood out. Once beautifully finished - and I have no doubt it will be painstakingly faultless in its accuracy - you won't be able to tell what's original from what's been remade. It's all debatable but I think I prefer to see the untouched historic evidence stand out, even if there are only fragments of it.
Posted by: Ovaltine - 19 November 2010 13:12:07
[quote=55Kab]Oh and Ovaltine...I think you'll find that when another special car comes along that takes George's fancy you'll see him in another vintage VW. In fact we're all waiting for that but because the car that George wants doesn't come up very often, we may need to wait a little while... :wink:[/quote]
Come on 55 Kab, what's he waiting for, Splits, Ovals, Schwimmers, Kubels and just about everything else are up for sale on the web regularly. Is he waiting for the Grundman's to finish the VW38, or is it a Hebmuller he wants (there's a few here after that one), or maybe your smashing Kab when you've completed. I rekon he's just skint and a dreamer:roll:
Posted by: Ovaltine - 19 November 2010 13:25:39
[quote=48REME]...don't drag me down as your 'pal' to back your comment that has sparked quite some unhappy reactions by the sounds of it. I don't like that sort of thing, thank you very much.[/quote]
Whats this drag me down? Okay different approach to the subject, but same ending wanted: VW38 preserved as found, not lost in a reconstruction. We're not alone in this view…
[quote=55Kab]...Don't get me wrong, I think it's fantastic it's being restored and the HO team are carrying out a truely amazing job but given all this, a little bit of me feels that it would have been better to fully reconstuct a 38 lookalike given one already exists in the VW Museum and left this original as it was found. It's one of those debates that will run and run and never end.[/quote]
[quote=Standard split]Now the VW38 is well into 'restoration' there is even less of it left than when found. Its merely an illusion now :!: [/quote]
And I'm sure there are others here. Maybe a pre67 poll would be rather interesting:wink:
Posted by: lifeintheslowlane - 19 November 2010 13:28:13
[quote=Ovaltine]Come on 55 Kab, what's he waiting for, Splits, Ovals, Schwimmers, Kubels and just about everything else are up for sale on the web regularly. Is he waiting for the Grundman's to finish the VW38, or is it a Hebmuller he wants (there's a few here after that one), or maybe your smashing Kab when you've completed. I rekon he's just skint and a dreamer:!:
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The first rule when you find yourself in a hole is?
I think most people here know the answer but I'm not sure you do.
I know one of the kind of Vintage VWs "50 Karmann" is looking for and they're not the kind of car that pops up everyday.
What is it...you don't need to know.
Posted by: Ovaltine - 19 November 2010 13:39:58
[quote='50] ...And i can assure you,you do not own a classic VW either.Not by what you have already told us.
My posts always closely follow yours, because on every occassion you take to your keyboard here, you either insult or offend someone and most of the time the person offended is someone i know,so i am naturally going to stick up for that person,rather than a total offensive stranger,who insists on remaining anonymous.
I have had several e-mails from other members here asking,and i put this far more politely than it was asked of me,who's the idiot???
So Ovaltine,if you want to remain offensive,why hide?Stand by your words.Come out from behind the handle.Identify yourself.Maybe then if it's a recognised name,you may be taken seriously.But i doubt it.
There again, it might all be Bullshit,you know like you coming around to excavate my garden,that didn't happen either did it:roll:
I'm behind you:twisted: :lol:[/quote]
My '70 is not a classic VW? Its not a pre'67, so what, to me its a lovely scruffy 40 year old air-cooled Beetle.
Its because there are individuals like you around, that people are able to partake in these internet activities without having to provide their name or other personal information. You took a pop at me not long after I joined, then there's the threat made to Tony's car.(I saw your post!!!!) As for your garden, I seriously hate to think what you have buried there – you seem to have too much time on your hands – you're here every single day.
Posted by: 69project - 19 November 2010 14:03:47
guys i think you really both need to chill out
ovaltine-as much as it is your opinion this site is just not really into some of your outlooks whether relevant or not.i visit here and volkzone and i know you may not like it but you are just not doing yourself any favours with such aggressive views.yes some people can be a bit stuffy(in a preserving the essence of the site way) or only interested in pre67vws only but thats the nature of the site as a way of talking to likewise people,in the same way that when i want to read abt boobs/arguments/and sob stories i go on volkzone
so this car that george wants,is it that rare beast known as a 412,as he seems to have had most other vws and fancies something that no one else has?
Posted by: lifeintheslowlane - 19 November 2010 14:17:40
[quote=69project]
so this car that george wants,is it that rare beast known as a 412,as he seems to have had most other vws and fancies something that no one else has?[/quote]
You'll have to ask George that.
Posted by: pre67vw - 19 November 2010 14:26:50
[quote=Ovaltine]what's he waiting for[/quote]
I think he's saving up for a scruffy '70.
I don't care if George owns a vintage VW or not, whether he can afford it or not - none of that is important. What is important is that he's an active person within the hobby, which he is. Likewise it doesn't matter that you don't own a pre '67.
I remember a few years back when George was taking two cars to Bad Camberg, driving them - not taking them on a trailer. Obviously he couldn't drive two at the same time so he lent one to a mate (in itself a very generous gesture). Then the one George was driving had an engine problem and had to be left at BBT in Belgium, so he jumped in his other car - but being the sterling fellow he is, he didn't take the drivers seat - he rode as a passenger. I think generosity like that is rare these days, George is definately one of the good guys.
You on the otherhand, we have very little information about as you're not willing to come out from behind your username. We have no idea if you go to shows - no idea if you help others in the hobby. Helping people and sharing information is how you get your opinion respected, hiding behind your username spouting rants - nobody cares what you think and just wishes you go away. All we know about you is that you moan at most things and are not a fan of making friends with pre 67 forum members.
Oh and you like to bring up old arguments again and again, for example any valid discussion of what should/shouldn't happen to the VW38 ended when the Grundmanns decided to restore it - any further discussion is pointless and only serves to make yourself appear like a moaning old git.
The spat between George and Standardsplit is old news, move on.
Posted by: GKL 7 - 19 November 2010 14:32:26
[quote=Ovaltine] You took a pop at me not long after I joined, then there's the threat made to Tony's car.(I saw your post!!!!) As for your garden, I seriously hate to think what you have buried there – you seem to have too much time on your hands – you're here every single day.
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Yes i took a "pop" at you,not surprising your arrogant way of posting deserves it.You seem to want to ignore the fact other people have also had a "pop" at you.You've been called a Dickhead and a Troll by others but choose to ignore it:?
Point two,you keep insisting i threatened "Tony's" car,not true i aimed my comments at it's present owner Standardsplit not the car.A fact that the moderator here accepts as i apologised at the time, he has asked you on a number of occassions to not keep bringing it up,but it would appear you love to try and cause trouble.
So as you keep insisting on saying different,i will take this oppurtunity to call you a LIAR.
My garden is very tidy,nothing is buried there,i like it that way.
And finally there goes your arrogance again,who the hell are you to say how i will spend my time.There is no time limit as to how long and how often you can visit this website.
You have not come here to gain knowledge,or to share what you may already know.You have come to inflict your opinions on people, whether they are right or wrong, because in your mind, they are yours so they MUST be correct.
I only wish the forum had,like some other websites, an ignore button.Where you are concerned it would probably be the most commonly used feature amongst the members here.
Posted by: GKL 7 - 19 November 2010 17:09:52
Just realised it's Friday.
Time for Ovaltine to do his regular weekly wind up.
Can't be arssed with this idiot anymore he's so predictable,one of you guys can take over:lol: :lol:
Posted by: Kev - 19 November 2010 22:45:03
[quote=55Kab]Bloody hell ^^^ that's a good story and some serious vintage tin. Have you got a photo of the 54 Oval?
Oh and Ovaltine...I think you'll find that when another special car comes along that takes George's fancy you'll see him in another vintage VW. In fact we're all waiting for that but because the car that George wants doesn't come up very often, we may need to wait a little while... :wink:
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With all those special cars George listed you want to see the oval :lol: what about the sunroof standard split ?
I think I know what George is after but will leave that for him to share or not.
George - any of those cars still around that you know of ? I was born in '74 :lol: :beer:
Posted by: Sunroof53 - 20 November 2010 00:09:51
The Grundmans TV programme was good, wasnt it :roll: :wink: .I bet they're really pround knowing that there museum and cars create such excitement amongst friendly enthusiasts :lol:
Mike
Posted by: GKL 7 - 20 November 2010 09:38:06
[quote=nev]George - any of those cars still around that you know of ?
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Kev, apart from the '52 sunroof,which is in California,they are all still here in the U.K
Posted by: GKL 7 - 20 November 2010 10:51:18
[quote=fantakid] I think i will not post anymore pics
Christian[/quote]
Mike,with all due respect.
Because of the comments of one person the above quote may be the case.
A great loss for us all,i think you will agree.Hence a lot of the animosity.
Posted by: Ovaltine - 20 November 2010 13:25:07
[quote='50 Karmann]So as you keep insisting on saying different,i will take this oppurtunity to call you a LIAR.[/quote][-x
Subject is closed :wink:
Posted by: lou cypher - 20 November 2010 15:21:22
[quote=Ovaltine][-x
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Are you still here! :roll:
You must have skin as thick as the armour on a Panzerkampfwagen VI Ausführung H
Why do you always want the last say...... :roll:
It's saturday afternoon so do us all a favour and go play in the fast lane of the M25, maybe that'll shut you up :d
Posted by: Ovaltine - 20 November 2010 15:40:27
[quote=lou cypher]Are you still here! :roll:
You must have skin as thick as the armour on a Panzerkampfwagen VI Ausführung H
Why do you always want the last say...... :roll:
It's saturday afternoon so do us all a favour and go play in the fast lane of the M25, maybe that'll shut you up :d [/quote]
I was drawing a line.:roll:
Thanks for your suggestion, but the M11 is nearer. Traffic moves faster there too :evil:
Posted by: 55Kab - 20 November 2010 16:49:26
[quote=nev]With all those special cars George listed you want to see the oval :lol: what about the sunroof standard split ?
I think I know what George is after but will leave that for him to share or not[/quote]
Ah well there was reason I posted that question and that is I've seen all his other cars. :wink:
I know what he's after but will not elude to it here as I may buy it first if one comes up :!: [-x :lol: :wink:
Posted by: vintagebug - 20 November 2010 16:55:17
[quote=nev]With all those special cars George listed you want to see the oval :lol:[/quote]
Any guesses for Martin's next project then?? :lol:
Posted by: 55Kab - 20 November 2010 17:19:35
[quote=vintagebug]Any guesses for Martin's next project then?? :lol:
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Already got that Dave, it's the one AFTER that :wink: :lol:
Posted by: GKL 7 - 20 November 2010 18:37:30
[quote=55Kab]Ah well there was reason I posted that question and that is I've seen all his other cars. :wink:
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I feel strange now,someone's been watching me all these years and i never clocked them:lol: :lol: :lol:
Don't have a picture i'm afraid Martin.Something i could have kicked myself for.I wish now i had a picture of every VW i've owned.Didn't mention a lot of them,Rob would have kicked me off here:wink:
But you would have approved of what a couple of owners down the line did to it:roll:
Let's say,it took a visit to JMR.It was the black one John used to have on his website doing a burnout.I saw it once at a show in Holland,but never since.It was in the Leeds area for donkeys.
Posted by: 64rotbox - 20 November 2010 19:34:52
[quote='50 Karmann]It was the black one John used to have on his website doing a burnout.I saw it once at a show in Holland,but never since.It was in the Leeds area for donkeys.[/quote]
The one in this video, about 5 mins in?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_7fInOF1FU
If so, then I think the last time I saw that was around 8 years ago, and it was doing a 'burnout' in a crowded camping field at B*g J*m. The car looked in a pretty sorry state, and the owner - not the same chap as in the video, it had been sold on a couple of times since then - looked (and acted) like a complete f*ckwit. Oh well...
Posted by: GKL 7 - 20 November 2010 19:45:13
That's the one Ben.
TKX 836.
I spoke to Rob Tomlinson at VW Euro in Holland,i must say, a very nice lad, obviously not the same individual as you witnessed later.
And one other little bit of info i remembered, purchase price of the car to me with 12 months tax and test......
.....£300,ah!the good old days
Posted by: GKL 7 - 01 December 2010 17:26:21
[quote=64rotbox] The car looked in a pretty sorry state[/quote]
Found some recent pictures,over on the darkside(it has it's uses:wink: )
I think the car looks well.If it came up for sale,i think sentiment would step in and i'd buy it.
You'll just have to ask yourself would i take it back to Stock:wink:
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Posted by: 64rotbox - 01 December 2010 22:52:54
Maybe it's being cared for now... good stuff, anyway. I'm sure it had t-bars on it when I saw it that time. I'll have to check with Martin, as he was with me witnessing the 'display', which was taking place very near to his campervan at the time.
Back to stock? Well, I'd hope so but it's difficult to tell with you, sometimes... :)
Posted by: 55Kab - 02 December 2010 05:26:32
[quote='50 Karmann]You'll just have to ask yourself would i take it back to Stock:wink:
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you know what (especially given it's not Resto-Cal low) I don't think you would, I reckon a quick drive in it would have you keeping it just as it is!
I think it actually came up for sale about a year ago on Vzi and is seen from time to time at the shows. I'm pretty sure if you posted "who owns this car" on the JG54 section of Vzi the owner would make himself known.
Do it George, then you can be a Bad Camberg bad boy like me... :shock: :lol:
Posted by: GKL 7 - 02 December 2010 14:32:31
Why does no one on here clear their inbox:evil: Martin.
Posted by: lifeintheslowlane - 02 December 2010 14:40:18
[quote='50 Karmann]Why does no one on here clear their inbox:evil: Martin.[/quote]
No need to George...just use the forum to tell him to **** off.:lol:
Posted by: 55Kab - 02 December 2010 15:04:57
[quote='50 Karmann]Why does no one on here clear their inbox:evil: Martin.[/quote]
Probably because there's seemingly no way that the forum tells said forum user their inbox is full.....
Empty now :wink:
Posted by: 55Kab - 02 December 2010 15:06:48
[quote=lifeintheslowlane]No need to George...just use the forum to tell him to **** off.:lol: [/quote]
Hey John > **** off :wink: :lol:
Posted by: GKL 7 - 02 December 2010 15:57:56
mailed you instead Martin.
Posted by: 55Kab - 02 December 2010 16:59:41
[quote='50 Karmann]mailed you instead Martin.[/quote]
got it. will put our little boy to bed and come back to you. :wink:
Posted by: 55Kab - 20 January 2011 08:25:10
[quote='50 Karmann]I think the car looks well.If it came up for sale,i think sentiment would step in and i'd buy it[/quote]
So it wasn't you then? TKX 836 now with a new owner.
Posted by: GKL 7 - 20 January 2011 16:07:51
[quote=55Kab]So it wasn't you then? TKX 836 now with a new owner.
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No Martin,love of stock won over sentimentality.I couldn't have lived with myself:p
